Hi AC,

As an alternative I would suggest that we all have beliefs that turn out to be wrong. Some people hold to their beliefs when they think a good outcome will result. That is conviction, not lying. Look at all the argument John Snow got into about cholera. He wasn't arguing with liars. A liar is someone who flashes a picture of a three eyed koala as proof of the dangers of nuclear power. A person of conviction is someone who wants to preserve the environment but destroys it with the construction of wind and solar farms. There is a difference between the two.

Fester,

I'm really not sure what your point is here. I suspect that makes two of us.

All I'm doing here is providing some information that many medical experts think the covid mRNA shots are fraught. If others still want to put their faith in the authorities and get the jab, go for it. No skin of my nose. The sad sad days when those people were trying to force others to do as they are told have long passed - at least for the time being.

There was a time when some wanted to and successfully did force people to have the jab against their better judgement even to the extent of calling for people to be gaoled and forcibly injected. Sad times indeed and indicative of the authoritarian bent in a segment of the community.

But those days are gone. Now people get jabbed in ignorance of the real risks involved. All I'm doing here is spreading a little of the information about those risks. If one or two others read and act on that (or read and don't act) then all to the good.

But I'm not advocating against vaccines in general and not even against covid shots if appropriate. Just spreading a little of the data that the MSM/government cohorts try to hide.

I go along with Fester's reasoning.
Some time back I invited posters several times to tell us how the next pandemic should be handled.
To-date, no-one's made any suggestions !
As Fester stated; but isn't it always easier in hindsight?

Hi mhaze,

If it is of any comfort to you I stopped having covid vaccinations a couple of years ago. I made that decision after my own experience of covid after two shots. On the positive side I cannot remember having had a cold since getting covid. Is that a coincidence? Is it related to having covid, being vaccinated, neither or both?

Medical statistics are generally complicated and expensive to define accurately. If rna vaccines were killing people like Fentanyl I wouldn't think there would be a cover up.

"I'm not for a second attacking the "concept of vaccination". What did I say that would give that impression? But the argument that this or that vaccine worked therefore everything labelled a vaccine works, fails on first principles."

I cant even remember now the exact reasons why I never bought into the Covid, maybe it was based on the content I'd subjected myself to previously, (maybe George Webb's research) maybe it was because I believed it was an experimental vaccine or maybe it was because right from the start I never bought into the bat / wet market story.

I do remember George Webb saying the ventilators would kill you.

I remember the push for us to be the most vaccinated nation.
The way that all this fear and blame washed over everything.
And I remember the way they tried to blame unvaxxed people like me, and the many average people who were saying we were the problem.
It was madness.

But I always stuck to my guns.
If I went back through my comment history, I'd probably find the answers, but one thing for certain I know I said:

And that was that I wasn't against the science of inoculation;
- That I was essentially against unsafe vaccines.

I remember saying 'These are untested and they are not even vaccines'
- They won't prevent you from getting Covid, they are a gene therapy.

As much as I tried to draw my own line in the sand however, I never tried to force anyone to act as I did, it was all about 'allowing people to make their own choice'.
I recognised that especially on this forum, particularly amongst older Australians with weaker immune systems that they might be better taking the vaccine, we all remember the deaths in nursing homes.

It was a bit like voting, trying to figure out the lesser evil,
- for each persons individual situation.

But Iwas always 'I don't want Covid, and I don't want the vaccine either.
I didn't trust either of them or what we were being told.

No-one ever claimed for vaccines to be 100% effective for everyone. Human bodies react different. Some benefit some don't & some have adverse reaction & even die. The majority benefit. The proof is in the overpopulated Planet !