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Medicine in doldrums

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Are we moving from democracy to tyranny?

I'm a fan of The Republic by Plato as well as Aristotle's The Politics. I'm sure that Plato had a reason for saying what he said about the progression of political systems. I'm certain that some regimes are stable or unstable independent of regime type because there are wide differences in how each is implemented. ie. Two democracies can be very different.

Nial Ferguson says that cyclical theories of civilization are wrong because some last for ten years and some last for a thousand years.

However we could be in a state of democratic despotism now (Tyranny), according to Patrick Deneen.

Some try to manipulate reality by labelling freedom as tyranny and tyranny as freedom. I find it interesting to hear that Marxist's label "right to bear arms" as tyranny rather than freedom. I can't see a civilization that has a right to bear arms as tyrannical because the population would shoot the rulers. But there needs to be a balance between freedom and tyranny, between rights and responsibilities. School could be seen as a form of tyranny. Often people try to jump to the solution, before defining their terms, establishing baselines, creating alternative plans, checking to see if the plans will meet the goal, etc.
Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 9:35:03 PM
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Let us probe why civilisation is derailed.
Why should we treat persons on the other side of countries' boundaries as foreigners?
What makes them foreigner? Why not neighbours?
This alienating mindset among nations is highly reprehensible, which leads to enmity between nations.
People are indoctrinated to think of "Their nation ; their people"
Rulers invoke parochial terms such as Nationalism, Patriotism, religiosity etc to keep this mindset intact among the masses.
When India and Pakistan play cricket it is captioned as "Arch Rivals India and Pakistan are fighting out " Such is the level of alienation between nations.
Who made the boundary of nations? Was it God? Is it natural? we all know it is man made.It is likely to change due to incursions by other rulers. Then what is sovereignty of a nation? This parochial mindset among the people as well as the political class is derailing the the process of civilisation. Let us ponder over this tragedy seriously
Posted by Ezhil, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 10:57:20 PM
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This is what came to mind from Ezhil's comment-

Why would Ezhil impose our beliefs on those on the other side of our border, this is a form of colonialism, why would we take away their sovereignty over their own territory?

By the same logic why would or should we give up our sovereignty to others. This is similar to the issues over the back fence (but also different).

Is Ezhil a Marxist that doesn't believe in the concept of ownership? Ownership operates at both the individual and the group level and the national level, etc even though some ideologies try to deny it. Even Liberalism tries to deny group cultural ownership when it suits themselves.

Is Ezhil "a post-nation world" believer? This seems to be an ideology designed to de-territorialize everyone in the world. Some say that de-territorialization is an element of genocide. Post-Nationist's appear to be Marxist's.
Posted by Canem Malum, Thursday, 19 December 2024 1:13:08 AM
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Hi Ezhil,

I can only speak from my own experiences regarding
our country's health system.

What I have experienced over the years and especially
fairly recently has been positive. In this country we're
fortunate that we have many providers of health
services. We have primary care delivered by general
practicioners (GPs). We have medical specialists. We
have allied health workers and nurses.

Then we have medicine and the public hospital system
which provides free and low cost access to most of these
health care services.

There is of course private health insurance which gives
us the choice outside the public system. And we have the
Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme which makes medicine cheaper.

I've been in and out of hospitals recently and found nothing
to complain about in our health system. No system is perfect
of course and perhaps I have been fortunate. But from what
I have experienced - I found that our health system is
very good. My medicines are under constant review. They've
been changed recently - and I am doing well.

There's more at the following:

http://health.gov.au/about-us/the-australian-health-system
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 19 December 2024 10:15:23 AM
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None of you have answered my queries.l am not a Marxist but a humanist.You people are obsessed with only Marxism capitalism etc.Pepple can think independently,you must know. Can you explain the widespread territorial disputes seen in the world. Barbaric wars are fought over boundary issues. What is happening in Russia and Israel? Let us worry about the sovereignty of individuals rather than that of nations. Your "nation" collapses when rulers are dethroned by coups( military or terrorism) what happens to the sovereignty then?
We must allow civilisation to proceed to a better advanced level. Colonial Concepts such as Nation and social concepts such as Religion play spoilsport in the advancement of civilisation because of which the world is in perpetual problems.
Posted by Ezhil, Thursday, 19 December 2024 12:21:17 PM
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Hi Ezhil,

I'm so glad and feel privileged to be living in
Australia.

Let me explain. I'm currently reading Alexei Navalny's
book - "Patriot"

" Patriot" ia as dramatic as the author's life - driven
by the passionate belief, against all odds, that good
and freedom will prevail. It is Alexei Navalny's final
letter to the world , a rousing call to continue his
work, an unforgettble positive account of a life
that will inspire every reader".

The book is written in his own words In 2024 he died in
a brutal Siberian prison
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 19 December 2024 12:43:12 PM
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