The National Forum   Donate   Your Account   On Line Opinion   Forum   Blogs   Polling   About   
The Forum - On Line Opinion's article discussion area



Syndicate
RSS/XML


RSS 2.0

Main Articles General

Sign In      Register

The Forum > General Discussion > Medicine in doldrums

Medicine in doldrums

  1. Pages:
  2. 1
  3. 2
  4. Page 3
  5. 4
  6. 5
  7. 6
  8. 7
  9. All
Correction : civilisation is derailed instead of democracy is derailed
Posted by Ezhil, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 11:25:37 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Armchair Critic- thanks for the video on why Socrates didn't trust democracy.

Lessons of the video- 1. There is a difference between what people want and what people need. 2. The electorate needs to have a good understanding to elect the right person.

There are ideas that run counter to this idea but it's good that this video questions the assumption that democracy is an absolute good. I think it suggests implicitly that those that are doctors ie have a university degree, are naturally good, and this is also problematic, but nothing is perfect.

Also Socrates isn't correct about everything either- this also is demigogery. The Greed Conservative Diogene's seemingly ridiculed Socrates- probably about his eternal questions- there is perhaps a time for questions and a time for answers.

Perhaps the suggestion here is that in order to vote people should pass a test of some sort. I suppose there is a balance between the requirement to have a minimum understanding, and shutting people out of the process- which affects the smooth transition of leadership, that is the point of democracy.

Some like Indyvidual say that military service is the way to test this minimum understanding.

According to some the point of democracy is to provide for a smooth transition, in order to avoid war becoming the only means of transition of leadership and policy. Sadly in the modern era it seems that the system, and the bureaucratic gatekeepers, have become a barrier to the people getting what they want, so perhaps war is the only answer again
Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 3:08:05 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
There is always a problem when part of society holds the whole of society hostage. But at the same time the society needs to pay for the cost of the services. This can be paradoxical. One way to address this paradox is by balancing government and private domains. Marxist's would claim that all services should be nationalized. Libertarian's would claim that all services should be privatized.

It's a tricky problem.

Milton Friedman said that government interference in private enterprise is usually misguided.

In the case of doctors- how do you maintain the quality of the service and increase the numbers. It's the classic project management triangle of speed/ quality/ price.

We need people in leadership positions that are able to deal with paradoxes.
Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 3:44:46 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Hi Canem Malem,
Perhaps there's some more knowledge to be gained from Plato's The Republic

From Google AI:

"Plato's Five Regimes -
In The Republic, Plato describes five forms of government: Aristocracy, Timocracy, Oligarchy, Democracy, and Tyranny.
Plato's theory is that governments naturally degenerate from aristocracy to tyranny, in that order.
He also assigns a man to each form of government to represent it.
For example, the tyrannical man represents tyranny.
Plato's Republic also includes the allegory of the cave, which is a metaphor for the effects of education on the human soul.
Some critics have interpreted Plato's Republic as a dystopia, arguing that it portrays a totalitarian state.
They say that Plato's state is ruled by a hereditary class, with no role for the working class in decision making."

The Republic by Plato | Complete Audiobook with Text
http://youtu.be/rVJFz84ZPWQ

Are we moving from democracy to tyranny?
- You tell me.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 3:59:49 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
I feel that the discussion has digressed greatly. Past history has not helped politicians to change for the better. The mistakes continue to happen with impunity. Let us build new ideas from the present. How to improve the existing problems in the medical services is the idea of my post. Selecting ideal candidates to become doctors who will uphold medical ethics and render services with conscience is the urgent need. Let us confine to that.
Posted by Ezhil, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 4:54:50 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
"Let us build new ideas from the present."
- I'm all for good ideas, how about lower the cost of hospital parking?
Or building a smoking area so people in palliative care don't have to go sit at the bus-stop.
Or stop using ambulances as mobile waiting area for hours sitting out the front of emergency when there's limited staff and beds.
And if you have to wait 8hrs to be seen, why not just let people go home and wait for a txt?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 6:14:25 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
  1. Pages:
  2. 1
  3. 2
  4. Page 3
  5. 4
  6. 5
  7. 6
  8. 7
  9. All

About Us :: Search :: Discuss :: Feedback :: Legals :: Privacy