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Hi Paul,
I've always believed that our system which included healthcare is a better model than the Americans.
I believe it's a governments job to provide a basic standard of education and healthcare to all it's citizens, and if you want a better standard of education and healthcare, pay for it yourself.
But that said, I don't agree with many things they're currently doing in these public areas.
I think there are ways to do things better, for example more cost efficient and with better outcomes for all.

Ukrainian immigrants.
Russian forces have been advancing on all fronts (except Kherson).
Not huge swaths of territory, but slowly pushing forward nonetheless.
Don't listen to any lies they tell you that they are 'wearing the Russian military down' it's simply untrue.
The Ukrainians are losing strength and the Russians are gaining in strength.
The Ukrainians simply don't have the trained soldiers to replace losses or enough weapons and ammunition.
The collective west just can't keep up with Russias military industrial output.
The war is lost, (America is threatening sanctions on and blaming China)
- Biden certainly wants to prevent a debacle until after the election.

Russia after the terrorist attack in Moscow, and attacks on it's refineries, has decided to go after Ukrainian energy infrastructure.
Not just to put some of it out of action temporarily, but to destroy it all properly, where it can't be rebuilt in any hurry.

So whether or not the war itself concludes this year or next, there's probably a recent uptick of Ukrainians to Europe. Also, many are trying to leave to avoid conscription, (many caught trying to escape) but some European countries are assisting in locating them and sending them back.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 29 April 2024 9:14:26 AM
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Will Australia see more Ukrainians refugees wanting to come here?
I think theres a good chance there will be a slightly increased influx at some point.

Do we have a duty to help them?
No, not really, but we did try to assist in their defence.
The government and opposition would probably both argue that we are duty-bound to help no doubt.
- And then use it as another opportunity to point the finger at Russia, on America's behalf.

And use our country as a safe space possibly for Ukrainian government figures 'in exile', or as a new home for Ukrainian anti-Russia political activists to smear Russia from.

Democracy [rolls eyes]
- it's what we do.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 29 April 2024 9:16:54 AM
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AC

Probably not all of them are just here for “benefits”; but their motives are definitely economic ones. They are here for themselves, not Australia: from foreign ‘students’ using the second-tier immigration department, universities, to the ones on ‘skilled’ visas who end up driving taxis or delivering parcels because their English is shite. They are also handy for looking after old people that Australians generally hold in contempt. That the old people can't understand a word they say is beside the point to our Big Australia politicians and their minders.

And of course more Ukrainian “refugees” will want to come here, running away and leaving others to fight the Russians. Every man and his dog wants to come to a place with virtually open borders and a big ‘welcome’ sign up.

Is Australia a “safe place”? It might be at the moment, but it won't be for much longer if the uni-party keeps on bringing in every culture under the sun.

Australia is no longer a safe place for Jews, thanks to the importation of people who have brought their hatreds and culture with them. And the local anti-Semites are emboldened by all the riffraff. I'll bet our Censor-in-Chief, Julie Inman Grant won't try to straighten them out.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 29 April 2024 10:16:02 AM
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In “Immigration challenges in the era of Islam” 27/4/24, Dr. David van Gend recalls a conference in 2017 of the Liberal National Party at which he moved a resolution calling for the suspension of immigration from countries that “enforced sharia, ….. death for blasphemy, apostasy, homosexuality or adultery”.

The LNP rejected the proposal. They were looking leftwards by then.

Even the European Court of Human Rights identifies a “fundamental incompatibility between Islamic culture and Western political culture”.

Yet, in Australia, we have the sort of Islamic lunatic who stabs a Christian Bishop because he thinks the Bishop “cursed” his Prophet.

What wonderful things multiculturalism and the Immigration of people who think killing people in the name of Allah is right and proper. Many, many Muslims think this, even if most of them wouldn't do it themselves; there are enough nut jobs to do it for them.

Muslims stick with their religion in post-Christian Australia. There is nobody to stand up to them. They brought Islam with them, and it is now here to stay.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 29 April 2024 4:19:38 PM
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Is Australia a “safe place”? It might be at the moment, but it won't be for much longer if the uni-party keeps on bringing in every culture under the sun.

I think Islam certainly does pose a potential problem wherever it exist, in numerous ways - and I don't know what can be done about it...

Right now, from what I understand the the head of Islam in Australia is actually pretty decent compared to his predecessors.
This could be a good or a bad thing, I'm not sure.

One thing about Islam though is 'Make treaties when you are weak, until you are strong enough to ignore or discard them'.
So, you know the fact they are being rather well mannered at the moment doesn't guarantee things will stay that way if and when their numbers increase, and also if they get a more fundamentalist Mufti in Australia to lead them.

"Australia is no longer a safe place for Jews, thanks to the importation of people who have brought their hatreds and culture with them."

This is not so much a situation which was 'done to them', but what they've 'brought on themselves'.
They are the ones in the business of 'occupation' 'land theft' and 'genocide'.
Plenty of non-Muslims are displeased with the situation to the point of speaking out too.
I don't think it's Australia fault if they 'feel' unsafe.
We didn't create their conflict, and it's not the job of Australian taxpayers to pay for 24/7 armed guards so they can 'feel' safe.

I don't want any harm to come to any of Australian Jews, nor do I wish for any harm to come to Australian Muslims (who may at this time feel a need to voice their anger) as any conflict between these groups relates ultimately to a matter external to our nation, and is therefore conflict we as a nation here can do without.
Any harm to any individual on either side might lead to reprisal attacks and escalating conflict and violence.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 7:44:34 AM
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Protesters call for Islamic state in Germany: ‘Caliphate is the solution’
http://nypost.com/2024/04/29/world-news/protesters-call-for-islamic-state-in-germany-caliphate-is-the-solution/

Is this what appeasement leads to?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 7:54:11 AM
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