Kevin Donnelly asks, approps of Islamic atrocities in Australia from 2015 to the recent knife attack on a Christian Bishop, how much evidence is needed to convince the numbskull political class that Islam is a deadly threat to us.

My reaction is that evidence won't make any difference. Mass immigration of anyone at all, any culture or religion, is all that the political class is interested in.

Instead of importing the best people for Australia's needs, the people wrecking the country with mass immigration are more concerned about not “discriminating”, and paying attention to what the rest of the world and the UN thinks about us.

The people importers should know by now which immigrants have integrated and assimilated into Australian culture.

The countries of those who have not done so should be struck off the list: starting with all Middle Eastern countries, and the continent of Africa.

Illegal aliens should be returned to their countries of origin the next day, as per legal arrivals by plane who are denied entry at airports for whatever reasons.

The only criteria for immigration should be usefulness to Australia and the ability and desire to assimilate into our society - not bring their own society with them.

Got to agree ttbn, if you import Arabs you import the Middle East.
Not even Foxy could deny that !
Hi Foxy relax just having a go at your wokness.
BYW, I notice that woke appears to losing its following.
Too many not able to keep up with is fashions.

Baz

We were all asleep when the political class stupidly decided that anyone but Anglo/Europeans would fit in here. They were not only stupid, but arrogant to believe that people would think that our ways were better theirs. They still don't get it or, more likely, they are too pigheaded to admit that they were wrong; and the problems are getting worse.

What the radical fella fails to grasp is that millions of Non-Anglo/Europeans have fitted in quite well, but he'll never see that through his blind bigotry. ttbn we're having an international food fair this Saturday and you're invited. $15 gets lots to eat, music, dancing, and I do believe someone is doing 'Banners and Mash' so you wont feel left out.

How many of these million immigrants actually really want to be here
For reasons other than government benefits
And how many of them just want to be somewhere else other than where they already are

Hi AC,

Migrants are not a homogeneous lot, there are several categories, and "government benefits" very much depend on what visa type a migrant holds.

p/s A story, a friend, Aussie citizen, had an accident in NZ a while back (fell down a ditch, broke his shoulder) didn't have travel insurance, but thanks to the reciprocal Medicare arrangements with NZ, the health system there took care of him at no charge, ambos, hospital etc. Had he been in say America it would have cost him $20 or $30 grand, maybe more.

Just on immigration, what do think, if Ukraine loses its war with Russia, and that's now very much a possibility, should Australia be duty bound to take a heap of Ukrainian refugees, and I think there will be plenty of them.

Hi Paul,
I've always believed that our system which included healthcare is a better model than the Americans.
I believe it's a governments job to provide a basic standard of education and healthcare to all it's citizens, and if you want a better standard of education and healthcare, pay for it yourself.
But that said, I don't agree with many things they're currently doing in these public areas.
I think there are ways to do things better, for example more cost efficient and with better outcomes for all.

Ukrainian immigrants.
Russian forces have been advancing on all fronts (except Kherson).
Not huge swaths of territory, but slowly pushing forward nonetheless.
Don't listen to any lies they tell you that they are 'wearing the Russian military down' it's simply untrue.
The Ukrainians are losing strength and the Russians are gaining in strength.
The Ukrainians simply don't have the trained soldiers to replace losses or enough weapons and ammunition.
The collective west just can't keep up with Russias military industrial output.
The war is lost, (America is threatening sanctions on and blaming China)
- Biden certainly wants to prevent a debacle until after the election.

Russia after the terrorist attack in Moscow, and attacks on it's refineries, has decided to go after Ukrainian energy infrastructure.
Not just to put some of it out of action temporarily, but to destroy it all properly, where it can't be rebuilt in any hurry.

So whether or not the war itself concludes this year or next, there's probably a recent uptick of Ukrainians to Europe. Also, many are trying to leave to avoid conscription, (many caught trying to escape) but some European countries are assisting in locating them and sending them back.

Will Australia see more Ukrainians refugees wanting to come here?
I think theres a good chance there will be a slightly increased influx at some point.

Do we have a duty to help them?
No, not really, but we did try to assist in their defence.
The government and opposition would probably both argue that we are duty-bound to help no doubt.
- And then use it as another opportunity to point the finger at Russia, on America's behalf.

And use our country as a safe space possibly for Ukrainian government figures 'in exile', or as a new home for Ukrainian anti-Russia political activists to smear Russia from.

Democracy [rolls eyes]
- it's what we do.

AC

Probably not all of them are just here for “benefits”; but their motives are definitely economic ones. They are here for themselves, not Australia: from foreign ‘students’ using the second-tier immigration department, universities, to the ones on ‘skilled’ visas who end up driving taxis or delivering parcels because their English is shite. They are also handy for looking after old people that Australians generally hold in contempt. That the old people can't understand a word they say is beside the point to our Big Australia politicians and their minders.

And of course more Ukrainian “refugees” will want to come here, running away and leaving others to fight the Russians. Every man and his dog wants to come to a place with virtually open borders and a big ‘welcome’ sign up.

Is Australia a “safe place”? It might be at the moment, but it won't be for much longer if the uni-party keeps on bringing in every culture under the sun.

Australia is no longer a safe place for Jews, thanks to the importation of people who have brought their hatreds and culture with them. And the local anti-Semites are emboldened by all the riffraff. I'll bet our Censor-in-Chief, Julie Inman Grant won't try to straighten them out.

In “Immigration challenges in the era of Islam” 27/4/24, Dr. David van Gend recalls a conference in 2017 of the Liberal National Party at which he moved a resolution calling for the suspension of immigration from countries that “enforced sharia, ….. death for blasphemy, apostasy, homosexuality or adultery”.

The LNP rejected the proposal. They were looking leftwards by then.

Even the European Court of Human Rights identifies a “fundamental incompatibility between Islamic culture and Western political culture”.

Yet, in Australia, we have the sort of Islamic lunatic who stabs a Christian Bishop because he thinks the Bishop “cursed” his Prophet.

What wonderful things multiculturalism and the Immigration of people who think killing people in the name of Allah is right and proper. Many, many Muslims think this, even if most of them wouldn't do it themselves; there are enough nut jobs to do it for them.

Muslims stick with their religion in post-Christian Australia. There is nobody to stand up to them. They brought Islam with them, and it is now here to stay.

Is Australia a “safe place”? It might be at the moment, but it won't be for much longer if the uni-party keeps on bringing in every culture under the sun.

I think Islam certainly does pose a potential problem wherever it exist, in numerous ways - and I don't know what can be done about it...

Right now, from what I understand the the head of Islam in Australia is actually pretty decent compared to his predecessors.
This could be a good or a bad thing, I'm not sure.

One thing about Islam though is 'Make treaties when you are weak, until you are strong enough to ignore or discard them'.
So, you know the fact they are being rather well mannered at the moment doesn't guarantee things will stay that way if and when their numbers increase, and also if they get a more fundamentalist Mufti in Australia to lead them.

"Australia is no longer a safe place for Jews, thanks to the importation of people who have brought their hatreds and culture with them."

This is not so much a situation which was 'done to them', but what they've 'brought on themselves'.
They are the ones in the business of 'occupation' 'land theft' and 'genocide'.
Plenty of non-Muslims are displeased with the situation to the point of speaking out too.
I don't think it's Australia fault if they 'feel' unsafe.
We didn't create their conflict, and it's not the job of Australian taxpayers to pay for 24/7 armed guards so they can 'feel' safe.

I don't want any harm to come to any of Australian Jews, nor do I wish for any harm to come to Australian Muslims (who may at this time feel a need to voice their anger) as any conflict between these groups relates ultimately to a matter external to our nation, and is therefore conflict we as a nation here can do without.
Any harm to any individual on either side might lead to reprisal attacks and escalating conflict and violence.

Protesters call for Islamic state in Germany: ‘Caliphate is the solution’
http://nypost.com/2024/04/29/world-news/protesters-call-for-islamic-state-in-germany-caliphate-is-the-solution/

Is this what appeasement leads to?

Foreigners Committed 77% of Solved Rape Cases in Paris in 2023
http://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/foreigners-responsible-for-77-of-solved-rape-cases-in-paris-in-2023/

Only people who 'identify' as immigrants;
Or who are so brainwashed with fairytales of global kumbaya (like one would expect from universities) would ignore this.
If they don't care about the existing population of women being routinely raped by foreigners, what does that say?

Be interesting to find out what the statistics are here.
Religion and immigration related details, source country and length of time here in the country.
If the statistics were bad, I think the government would try to hide or suppress it.
- Because it's all about 'promoting multiculturalism'

The worlds so freaking dumb.

You have 'Christians for Genocide'; and 'Western Women for Immigrant Rapists'.
Why don't they stand out there with signs that say 'Rape ME!' instead of 'Immigrants Welcome here'?
What next Aussie girls going to form a group called 'Western Wombs for Islam'?

I'm sure there's some dumb Australian women who would go for it.

I think we just have to face the fact that within every society, every government, every group, every race and every family, there's at least a few people putting their hands up vying to be take the title of the Champion Idiot.

Hi Armchair Critic,

We're lucky in Australia. The link that you've provided
deals with the problems they have overseas. What happens
in Paris does not happen here. According to the Australian
Institute of Criminology which has collected a large
amount of data on migrant types and the nature of problems
they encounter and has issued 3 reports. The major conclusion
of all 3 reports was that the incidents of serious crime was
lower among migrants than in the Australian population
generally.

cont'd ...

Many researchers crunching the numbers have found that
there is no connection between immigration and crime.
Some have even found that immigrants are less likely
to commit crimes than people born in the country.

Hi AC,

According to the Crime Statistical Agency ( CSA),
in more serious offences the vast majority of
offenders were Australian born. In cases of
alleged rapes or indecent assaults the figures
given were - 71% of offenders were Australian born.
2.5% of alleged offenders in rape and indecent
assault were Indian-born followed by the UK and
Ireland at 2.5% and New Zealand at 1.5%.

AC

“What Can be done about it”?

Well the havoc already caused by mass immigration, multiculturalism and the inclusion of Muslims in the sh-t show cannot be fixed, apart from authorities growing a backbone, jailing the anti-West types, and deporting those who can be legally deported.

Then, a cessation of all immigration until the political class gets the truth, and imports only people needed by Australia, and then only those of appropriate cultures, from the Anglosphere, and carefully considered European countries.

Now, how did Jews bring it “on themselves”?
What is the “situation” that “plenty of non-Muslims” are “displeased” with?
Do you have examples of these ‘displeased’ people “speaking out”?

Documented, proven examples only, please.

Australia is not “at fault”. The people at fault are (mainly) Islamic imports and local Leftists and anti-Semites.

Anti-Semitism has found a comfortable home with the Left. These Leftists try to hide their anti-Semitism by claiming not to be anti-Semitic at all, but just anti-Zionist!

The Left have alinged themselves with Nazis.

People are so much more than labels.

Labels reflect how some think of themselves and others.
They also create stereotypes. They belong on jars, not
people. And, long-term effects unfortunately can become
a source of identification and lead to strained
relationships which we certainly don't need in our current
climate.

Not all Asians are good at maths. Not all blacks can dance.
A disabled person can get a job. Not all Muslims are
terrorists. Not all priests abuse children. Not all Jews
support Israel. And not all people's minds are set in concrete.
Not everyone thinks in terms of right-wing or left-wing.
And so forth.

Some Australians are bleating about the fact Australian Islamic ‘leadership’ doesn't come out against their followers' terror attacks in this country.

Of course they don’t! Jihad is part of the Islamic faith. The same people who were ignorant enough to bring in Muslim immigrants remain ignorant of the religion.

The Muslims are yelping now, though.

“..... NSW Islamic leaders are more upset about not being consulted over terror raids than about the fact teenage Muslims are allegedly planning attacks on the public”, after police arrests of young would-be terrorists followed the attack on the Christian Bishop.

Lebanese Muslim Association secretary Gamel Kheir complained that “we were not told” police would arrest five teenagers on terrorism charges.

WTF! Did they want a chance to hide the suspects? Why would police tell anyone, let alone the Lebanese Muslim Association, that they were going to arrest Muslims. They don't run operational matters by anyone, for heaven's sake.

These people are nuts. Who the bloody hell do they think they are?

They want police to help “community angst”!

Compare the “angst” of a few Muslim community members whose fellows are arrested for allegedly plotting to slaughter Australians, with the angst of all Australians for whom Islamic extremism has become part of life in their country.

A Muslim legal spokesman even had the unmitigated gall to say that the police raids would ‘further alienate’ the Muslim community. Muslims stabbing people is just one of those things of daily life now, I suppose he thinks. It couldn't possibly alienate Muslims!

https://dailydeclaration.org.au/2024/04/30/muslim-leaders-upset-they-werent-warned-about-terror-raids/

Have you ever looked at someone or read what they've
posted and said: "So, you're the reason for
warning labels?"

Well of course Foxy, if ever a warning label is needed it is on that
Islamic spokesman. I asked the question what was their reason for
raising such a ridiculous proposition ?
I suspect if they could make enough fuss they might get an "in" to
be consulted on procedures before raids.
To me that seems the more likely reason for raising the suggestion in
the first place.
If so it illustrates their elevated idea of Islam's place in society.
After all we are all Dhmini that is second class citizens in Islamic
countries. If you want to remain (alive) then pay the Jizaz tax !

I have to stop saying, "How ignorant can you be?"

Some people are starting to take it as a challenge.

Hi Bezza,

We've witnessed recent events and have seen the damage that
can be done when societies become polarised around differences.
From what happened in Christchurch to Wakeley. We've seen how
ideologies develop and flourish.

It's therefore vital that we continue to build social cohesion
within our country and try to establish strong ties fostering
diverse and inclusive environments in which every Australian
has the opportunity to fully engage in everyday life.

But we can only build a strong and harmonious socially
cohesive community if we embrace and accept everyone in our
culturally diverse society, including Muslim Australians.

"Now, how did Jews bring it 'on themselves'?"
- Because essentially I think the source of the conflict is land theft.
If they weren't fighting over territory, they probably wouldn't be fighting at all.

One side has always had aspirations to control more land than it currently does.
And the other side just happened to be there?
How dare they defend their own interests?

I just wish both sides could find a way to get along and treat each other with respect decency and dignity.
The reality I suppose is that sometimes you get two groups that will just never get along.
I just wish innocent people didn't get caught up in the middle and pay with their lives.

AC

Ah, it's not all Jews or Jewish Australians that you are talking about, it's Israelis. - including the almost 2 million who are not Jews.

You have diverged from the topic. I thought you were talking about Jewish Australians regarding the danger to them since inappropriate immigration has occurred.

Please note that this thread is about IMMIGRATION into Australia, not Israel.

If you want to opine on Jews, start a thread; although I think that we already know what you think.

"Now, how did Jews bring it 'on themselves'?"

By gratuitously and ungraciously deciding they didn't want to be exterminated.

Australia currently has a relatively minor problem with MENA (Middle-East/North Africa) immigrants because their numbers are relatively small as compared to the mess that is Europe and, increasingly, the USA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywTjt3PQwD0

The reason we have relatively low numbers of MENA peoples is solely due to the decisions to "Stop the Boats" (Thank you Mr Abbott). Otherwise, the Australian elites would have allowed tens of thousands of the so-called asylum seekers to penetrate our immigration laws and invade our cities.

But still they try. They seek to censor any evidence of ethnic unrest by banning factual videos not just in Australia but world-wide. They allow people already convicted of violent crime and never able to pass our immigration standards to nonetheless walk our streets and attack our citizens. ( http://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-29/charges-over-violent-home-invasion-and-assault-girrawheen/103779852).

And now we are told we have to find a way to accommodate these people. Diversity is strength they chant without offering even a passing attempt at evidence.

There was an interesting speech t'other from a Polish official mocking Europe's problems because Poland doesn't have those problems. Why? Becasue they simply refused to accept these invaders from other cultures into their land. Hungary likewise.

We have a choice. We can become Poland or we can become France. But first we have to convince the naive pro-immigrant morons that we can't become Disneyland.

Mhaze

Many of them have also committed the sin of working hard and making too much money; or at least that's what the anti-Semites often rabbit on about. I'm sure that there are a few ‘average’ Jews and some no hopers. But that wouldn't suit the anti-Semitic crowd.

On Abbott: yes we owe him a lot. I can't forgive him for chickening out on sec.18 though.

Hi Foxy,
"We're lucky in Australia. The link that you've provided
deals with the problems they have overseas. What happens
in Paris does not happen here."

This isn't about what does and doesn't happen here right now.
This is about what happens wherever adherents to Islam go.
People running around screaming 'Allah Akbar!' remember them?
- This stuff is exclusive to Islam.

But I do think France is a kind-of special case.
That it's gotten itself let's say 'extra terrorism' as a result of France's colonialism in the Sahel.

I'm not saying that other religions don't have their own religious nuts...
Though I'm not sure I've seen too many other Christian mass killings where the assailant is running around chopping people up screaming 'In the name of Jesus'.
Christians can have a poor attitude, and right now they're the ones responsible for sending Israel more bombs.
Mike Johnson (Speaker) went against those in his own party in order to put the foreign aid bills to a vote, and he rules according to his bible.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/04/mike-johnson-theocrat-house-speaker-christian-trump

>>The new House speaker, Mike Johnson, knows how he will rule: according to his Bible. When asked on Fox News how he would make public policy, he replied: “Well, go pick up a Bible off your shelf and read it. That’s my worldview.”<<

(and maybe AIPAC donations)

After House Speaker Mike Johnson Pushed Through Israel Aid Package, AIPAC Cash Came Flowing In
http://theintercept.com/2024/01/20/israel-aipac-house-mike-johnson/
'The pro-Israel lobby donated around $95,000 to Johnson after he led the House passage of an extra $14 billion for Israel.'

Sign off on billions in weapons for Israel, and we'll send you 95K
Good deal Mike? Don't we love democracy?
The citizens will have to pay back those 14 billion, many of whom live in squalor with minimal healthcare, tent cities full of homeless junkies - and working people - but that's ok mate as long as you get paid off to get re-elected who gives a rats about the plight of regular Americans...

When are you all going to realise democracy ain't always what it's cracked up to be?

Ttbn.

You need to study up a bit on Nietzsche. Abortion has some fundamental positives in retrospect as well. Another that unfortunately missed the Abortionists needle was Hitler of course, but Nietzsche has the following crowd of the overeducated morons making headlines currently, madly supporting terrorists and terrorism in mass rallies on ivy league campuses throughout the US in particular.

These are our future leaders. Things are not destined for improvement.

Sack Universities and burn their books is an historic tradition; and you can see why that one works!

DD

Over-educated morons is an oxymoron. Let's stick with morons: universities stopped actually educating at least 50 years ago. They are now political brainwashing factories and sub-branches of the Immigration Department.

"...overeducated morons making headlines currently, madly supporting terrorists and terrorism in mass rallies on ivy league campuses throughout the US in particular."
- Some of them ARE Jews.

Hundreds Arrested: Students Across U.S. Protest for Palestine as Campus Crackdown Intensifies - Democracy Now
http://youtu.be/oeYAA7I7nhE

Student protests calling for university divestment from Israel and the U.S. arms industry have rocked campuses from coast to coast. The nonviolent protests, which have been characterized as “antisemitic” for their criticism of Israel, have been met with an intensifying police crackdown as university administrators threaten academic discipline and arrests. On Wednesday, local and state troopers violently arrested dozens at the University of Texas at Austin. Meanwhile, Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson visited Columbia University in New York City, the site of a high-profile student encampment and one of the first to be met with police action, where he called on university president Minouche Shafik to resign. We hear from two Jewish students involved in protests at their schools. Joshua Sklar, a graduate student at the University of Texas at Austin and an organizer with Jewish Voice of Peace Austin, says concern over campus antisemitism is insincere, and that, in fact, “The people who are being targeted are Muslim students, Arab students, and especially Palestinian students.” Sklar and Sarah King, a member of Columbia University Apartheid Divest who was arrested at the campus’s Gaza Solidarity Encampment, also point out that a large percentage of protesters are Jewish anti-Zionists concerned about their safety from state repression. “The threat is really coming from Columbia University, which has set the police on hundreds of its students who are entrusted to its care,” says King.

So who here voted for a million immigrants a year?
Anyone?

Just checking our democracy.
If the government did it then that must mean the majority support it?
Or is that not how it works?

Here's Netanyahu criticising freedom of speech on US college campuses.

Scott Ritter: Russia’s Unseen Victory in Ukraine
http://www.youtube.com/live/y7nm7QPcJ_w?t=865

And here you have Mike Johnson telling all the students (some of which are Jewish) to go home

House Speaker Johnson drowned out by booing crowds at Columbia University speech on Gaza protests
http://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/24/speaker-johnson-columbia-university-gaza-protests-speech.html

(who I just showed you got 95K donation from the Israel lobby after bringing a foreign aid package to the floor which gave Israel 14bln to Israel)

The students are the legitimate protestors;
Some are Jewish, they don't support the way Israel treats the Palestinians, they don't support the genocide.
These aren't bad kids, they have the courage to say we want a better world.
The politicians are bought and paid for, representing their Jewish donors.

ttbn

Having determined the hopeless state of the West, the “Final Solution” fits beautifully.
But sadly again, the same brainwashed also sit in control of the towers of Global Justice, the UN, where the mentally unbalanced stamp out their nonsense in pantomimes condemning Israel to the charge of genocide.

And from that example alone, will arrive another multi-thousand invasion of the enemy masses of Palestinians, supported and promoted as refugees escaping starvation and genocide from the evil Israelis.

Prevailing over the products of UN lies and obfuscations, sits the towering madness of the current US administration.

Our own Political leadership (sic) of totally unoriginal US toadies, will willingly comply as usual, and the mopping up of the refuse of another US losing war will be invoiced against us, to be paid out by the losing class of poor Australians, relegated to such indignities as giving over Social Housing stocks as a major contribution to the strains of violins from Canberra.

Just to summarise AC's rants about the US college tantrums...
the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

These college students are somewhat more ignorant of the history of the Levant than the Hamas cheer-squad here. There are any number of videos doing the rounds showing students being asked about the slogan "from the river to the sea" where they know neither which river nor which sea is being referred to.

Then we have the idiocy of members of the Alphabet community (LGBTetc) joining groups called "Gays for Palestine", seemingly unaware that gays in Gaza or the west bank would be killed within a week.

Douglas Murray was recently in Australia and I managed to go to one of his talks where he spoke of the videos on the 7/10 atrocities he's seen among other things. One of the highlights of the event was during the Q & A where he was asked for his opinion of the best gay bar in Rapha. Hilarity ensued. I hope I don't need to explain the joke here although I do know that for some here, sarcasm is a foreign language.

Back to immigration....

The news from the 'experts' today (as reported by the ABC so we know its true!!) is that the current "incredibly strong net overseas immigration" is one of the main causes for the continued high inflation rate and the inability of the RBA to reduce interest rates.

The government is fond of misinforming its flying-monkeys that it rooly-trooly wants to improve housing affordability. But one of the major ways it could do that would be to put the clamps on immigration.

Some of the affects of reducing immigration:

* lower inflation
* lower interest rates
* lower unemployment
* less pressure on the housing market therefore cheaper housing

Why won't they reduce immigration? Well I've already explained that. Basically, while they say they want to help struggling young families they in fact want to help the immigration lobby that is one of the ALP's main supporters.

Of coarse, they tell us that they have little control over the immigration rate. They tell us they can control the weather by tweaking the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, but the reducing the number of legal immigrants (let alone illegal ones) is, it seems, beyond their ability.

DD

“Hopeless” does seem to be the only word to describe the mess that Australia has brought on itself via inappropriate mass immigration. The people responsible never asked us if we wanted it; more than 70% of Australians want it stopped, but the political class is not listening. Both major parties are guilty; only One Nation and the solo UAP Senator are brave enough to speak against it.

I hear/watch ‘conservative’ commentators saying that the worm is turning. No, it is not. That’s just wishful thinking by people who still believe that the Liberal Party is the answer.

On immigration, censorship, digital ID, digital cash, zero emissions and expensive and unreliable energy, with its environment-wrecking and farmland confiscation - on all of those things - the Liberal Party and the Labor Green Alliance are in lockstep.

I will still vote for people other than the LNP or Green Labor because it's the only thing we plebs have. But, I know that it's not going to change anything in my lifetime.

Australia is rooted - by Australians who are too complacent.

Nuremberg Dan, its Nimbin Paul here.

I'm a bit concerned with this talk of "Abortion has some fundamental positives in retrospect as well" Is this forced abortions, which may well be something akin to forced sterilisation. Then one of the regulars from the rabid right chimes in with talk of a "final solution". Was popular with some of his past folk hero's.

Nice touch, calling out Adolf for special attention "abortion", but at what year of life were you thinking of applying that solution? Was it just an afterthought? That wont go down well at party meetings, hor should it.

DD still getting those unsafe warnings about this site. You would think they would do something about it. But fortunately its not Facebook!

"Why won't they reduce immigration? Well I've already explained that. Basically, while they say they want to help struggling young families they in fact want to help the immigration lobby that is one of the ALP's main supporters."

Democracy at work, donors come before voters.
- So basically only the people who pony up the cash have any real 'say'.
Which means immigrants get the benefits and existing Aussies get a slap in the face.

Just like in the US the Speaker of the house gave 14bln to Israel and got a 95k 'donation' from the AIPAC.

At what point do the people on the left and the people on the right come together?
At what point do we realise that democracy isn't about what we want?
We're all just being used as pawns, and it's only the people who open their wallets who are the ones who actually get any real say.

At what point do we question whether or not this system is working for us?
Maybe it's not meant to work for us - maybe it's meant for the ones who can pay to have the real final say;
and for the ones who are willing to take that money and then make their decisions accordingly for whatever is in their best interests to stay in power.

Before we go bragging and celebrating democracy;
We at least deserve to all know and be aware of it's faults.

"Democracy at work, donors come before voters."

Well I wasn't for a moment talking about donors here. The ALP is indebted to the VOTERS of the immigration industry. Most people in Australia, it seems, are opposed to the current massive immigration levels. But its not a first order issue for them ie they won't change their vote based solely on a party's stance on the issue.

OTOH there is a section for who it is a first order issue and these people will change their vote based on a party's immigration position. So ALP will pander to those people to obtain their vote, knowing that, while they may piss off the majority, they aren't going to be electorally punished for that. T'was always thus. Anyone who's conversant with the last century or two would recognise this.

So the aim is to make immigration a first order issue for the majority; an issue where they will change their vote. This is where the Liberals are utter failures. Howard could do it. Abbott could do it. The current crop, it seems, can't.

"Before we go bragging and celebrating democracy;
We at least deserve to all know and be aware of it's faults."

Yes, democracy isn't perfect. Let me know which system is. In the adult world we know that utopia doesn't exist. As always we come back to Churchill to remind the kiddies of the realities of the world....

"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…"

Democracy isn't perfect. It doesn't always follow the will of the people. But its the best system ever found to preserve the liberties of its people (again imperfectly) and give them the best chance at "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness".

Australians are killing Australia that's all there's to it !

The majority of Australians are opposed to mass immigration, and to a lot of other things appearing, thanks to the ALP/LNP/Green collectivists-communists.

And, the only two political groups opposing the collective are One Nation and the United Australia Party. There is nobody else saying anything about Australia being gutted by career politicians intent only on hanging onto their jobs - if you can call politics a job.

But, most people have been conned by the collective into laughing and sneering at these “far-right” people, so they have to cop what is coming to them. Political analysts have predicted that the rubbish people and their idiocy will still be wrecking the joint for at least another 20 years; thanks to the disinterested majority that is “killing Australia” (Indyvidual).

The Albanese government doesn't want to put a hard cap on foreign student visas because it is afraid of losing the education “export” (what a mis-use of language!) market which, in reality, is back-door immigration. These “students” contribute largely to over all mass immigration and the wrecking of the rental market.

It's also about sucking up to China and India, who have more than a few people they need to get rid of. This year, 115, 415 of them from China, and 97,152 from India. Plus: Nepal, 48k; Philippines, 31k; Vietnam, 26k; Columbia, 24k; Thailand, 19k; Pakistan, 18k; Indonesia, 16k; Brazil, 15k; Sri Lanka, 12k; Malaysia, 11k; Bhutan, 10K; Bangladesh, 10k; Hong Kong, 10k; South Korea, 9k; Kenya, 7k; Taiwan, 7k; Japan 6k; Mongolia, 5k. (All figures rounded down to the closest thousand).

It's such a good lurk for the gouging, stuff-Australia-and-the-locals-with-nowhere-to-live Albanese government, they are said to be raising the $710 visa fee to $2,100.

Jim Chalmers and education Jason Clare (ever heard of him) call the rort “sustainable” and better than capping numbers. There's a “please explain” for Paulind Hanson.

International education is a “people-importing industry”, not an export industry.

Most students come from low-income countries and begin working in Australia immediately to cover their living and tuition costs. Student visas are mainly work visas. The ‘earner’ for Australia is not education, it is from ‘students’ doing low paid work. 51% of imports are still here, 3 years after getting their Mickey Mouse, specifically dumbed down for non-English speakers qualification for nothing, still in low skilled jobs. (Graduate Outcomes Survey)

Just to illustrate what is coming for Australia.
We are not as far down this track as Germany but we are clearly on the
way there. I suggest that you read this link;

https://click.mlsend.com/link/c/YT0yNDcyNDI0MTU5MzM5MDkxNDMzJmM9aTRuMSZlPTc4MzE0JmI9MTMxNTkwMDc4NiZkPXY1bjNqM28=.hauRBtsaGPz66aUWrFp4ccUWp7m62wePWFEraoknOCw

Oh I hate these long links, here is a nice short one

https://tinyurl.com/5fh7yf3n

Isn't that better ?
Anyway Germany had a very high immigration rate and they are now
looking at being a minority in their own country.
The moslems are now talking of a Caliphate for the not very distance
future. A Caliphate does not mean that it would be the government.
It just means that moslems would consider the caliphate to be superior
to the German government and it would not recognise European borders.
In fact the article suggests the centre of the caliphate will be in
Turkey. So the Ottomans will be back !
Think it is a joke ? Think again !
I suggest that those who doubt all this look for Robert Spencer's
book The History of Jihad. I read it a few years ago and it explains
a lot of what we see going here and now.

Bezza,
The best crystal ball available to us to see the future of Australia are the ABC/SBS.

Well yes Indy, but their offerings are all sugar coated.
It is a bit like what I said to Foxy, it is not relevant.
We are playing that game at one level but at another level is where
the real game is being played.
It is not hidden but there is a word for it; I must see if I can find
it. It means immigration jihad. Moslems are encouraged to immigrate
and take Islam with them.
Just watch what is happening in Michigan. You can see it in action.
You saw it in Lakemba on the 8th October on your TV.
It is not hidden, it is being shouted out loud, pity more don't listen.

I just watched a video of a discussion on islamic migration in Germany. The consensus of all parties is that it is not 5 minutes to twelve, it is 5 minutes past twelve as far as the situation there is concerned.

Hi AC,

Europeans murder Europeans, 90 to 100 million murdered in Europe during the 20th century alone. Millions more during the previous 2,000 years.

"Just to illustrate what is coming for Australia.
We are not as far down this track as Germany but we are clearly on the way there."

spiders in the bed Bezza
are you assuming they just randomly found their way in there
or have you stopped to consider whether someone might've put them in there on purpose

ttbn,

One of your folk heroes is coming to Aussie, Tucker Carlson, brought to you by the fat man himself, Big Clive. Carson is coming to spruik to the faithful at 'The Australian Freedom Conference'. Got ya ticket? Front row seat for you $275....wow!

I wonder how many European fighters hid behind women & children & under hospitals ?

should Australia be duty bound to take a heap of Ukrainian refugees,
Paul1405,
Just saw on TV that a whole group of Ukrainian dancers arrived in Australia. All fit of fighting age coming here to dance ? Will some of them try to stay here or will they go back to fight for their country ?

Oh Dear, here we go again !
It seems like the technique is to get into boys schools and radicalise
them in the class room.
Some parents notified the Federal Police.
Surely the boys of those parents could tell who was the driving
force behind it.
I am sure that is what the Police will be doing now. Might be a bit late.

Indyvidual

I saw the same thing and thought that it was incongruous that Ukraine was at war with Russia while able-bodied young Ukrainians were cavorting on states overseas. I think that I saw that the government was going to restrict travel to all military aged people - perhaps it was just males: females have been fleeing, despite all the equality BS. I'm amazed that anyone is allowed to leave Ukraine at all while their country is at war.

"I wonder how many European fighters hid behind women & children" nah none, they just put them in gas chambers, or burnt them to death with saturation incendiary bombing ....millions of them. Fess up Indy, you came to Australia as a refugee after your mob turned your country into a sh!t hole through war, correct!

Bezza, any kind of religious fundamentalism is a bad thing, it often leads to radicalisation by a minority and then acts of terrorism. Having said that, fundamentalism is not the only ingredient necessary to bring on acts of violence, it's often the catalyst, add in injustice, poverty, inequality and prejudices, they then create the perfect conditions for violence to occur.

Ukraine... do you remember what they told you?

US Secretary of State Blinken said Russia claimed it had the 2nd-best military in the world, but now 'many see Russia's military as the 2nd-strongest in Ukraine' Jun 3, 2023
http://www.businessinsider.com/blinken-slams-russia-military-2nd-strongest-in-ukraine-2023-6
>>Blinken said in a speech on Friday that Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a "strategic failure."
Blinken said Russia is "significantly worse off today than it was before the full-scale invasion."
"Today, many see Russia's military as the second strongest in Ukraine," he said.<<

Look what they say now:

The US spent so much time fighting insurgents that it forgot 'what it means to actually fight a war,' a US vet in Ukraine says - May 2, 2024
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-forgot-how-to-fight-real-war-veteran-in-ukraine-2024-5

>>An American veteran who fought in Ukraine said the US "kind of forgot what it means to actually fight a war."
He said US training has long been heavily focused on fighting insurgents in places like Iraq and Afghanistan.
He said his own training wouldn't have prepared him for a war like Ukraine.<<

[From article above]

>>"We've gotten so used to the idea of just fighting guerilla wars and fighting terrorists and everything else that we kind of forgot what it means to actually fight a war," he said.

The conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan were real wars that came at a severe cost in human lives, but the war in Ukraine is industrial warfare at levels of destruction like the world has not seen in a long time.

With the focus on the wars in the Middle East during much of this century, the US and some of its NATO allies in Europe allowed the skills needed for this kind of conflict to atrophy.

The veteran said that when he went through training, he never got any real training for peer-on-peer conflict. "A little bit of talking about it and just a little bit of training, but nothing to the point that would have prepared me for the war in Ukraine," he recalled.

He said that he has seen a lot of Western soldiers struggle in Ukraine as "they already have a set idea about how things should be and everything, and it's just not that way out in Ukraine."

He said that US soldiers are used to fighting at an equipment and manpower advantage, but against Russia in Ukraine, "a lot of time I've fought at a disadvantage compared to the enemy."

In the US military, he explained, "I believe that a lot of the training that we have is tailored more to fighting in a guerilla warfare nowadays than it is to actually fighting a near-peer adversary like it would be with Russia or China." He said that it is an issue that many NATO members face.<<

Think about that.
What's it tell you if the boots on the ground are telling you that US / NATO training is not sufficient to fight peer on peer conflict?
And in many instances the Russian weapons are superior to the western ones.

The more Ukrainians they send, the more will die;
And so what Biden has a better chance in November?
Ukraine might not even last that long.

Jake Sullivan says US military aid will help Ukraine mount counteroffensive in 2025
http://www.ft.com/content/6fd11006-01db-4548-96d6-76343f38aea8

- Fight to the last Ukrainian, such good friends.

Personally I don't think the dancers are going to change things.
I see no reason to have those girls stand under Russian artillery, FPV drones, TOS-1A Heavy flamethrower, tanks etc, and in front of fully trained Russian troops with 2+ years of combat experience.
I don't see the point of them dying for nothing.

Ukraine in the Final Stage of Total Collapse
http://youtu.be/Nr6pwQ3Bk04

The Ukrainians are short on 155mm ammunition.
The west organised a shipment through Romania, it was secretly shipped in through the Odessa Port and into a warehouse, to be redistributed to smaller depots closer to the front lines. What happened next?
http://twitter.com/witte_sergei/status/1785801955136393278
This was 3 days ago.
Ukraine is losing numerous small towns and villages every day.

You think our kids are ready to face this?
They're ready to go, saying their goodbyes.
http://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1786688401539846578

You think the Chinese will be any different if we go and try to fight them on their doorstep.

New Russian Turtle Tank, with mine protection.
Individual battalions have permission to improvise where necessary
http://twitter.com/squatsons/status/1787168747641241944

I have no military experience so will not comment on that.
A country being invaded by a larger country would also be at a disadvantage.
If Russia wins Putin will inherit an enormous financial burden.
He will have a sullen population and a country needing rebuilding,
if he goes on to conquer the whole of Ukraine.
With bans on various products it will drain the Russian economy.
No use turning to China, it is in financial trouble already.
What a stupid man is Putin, just because he wants to be Catherine the Great !
If he settles for the present gains it will be considered a failure
and a stalemate and will have NATO on his doorstep.

correct!
Paul1405,
Wrong !

It's not just mass immigration that is wrecking the joint; it's also the mishandling of the riff-raff after they arrive by the two most incompetent politicians in the incompetent Albanese government, Immigration Minister Giles, and Home Affairs Minister O'Neil.

All sorts of immigrant criminals, some with ankle bracelets, some without, now committing the crimes they are noted for against the Australian public: the latest being the bashing of a 73 year old woman.

All questions about these scum are deflected back onto the High Court by the two incompetent ministers and the even more incompetent Prime Minister, who has no control over his ministers - or anything else, including the liar who claimed that they had opposed bail for the animal who bashed the elderly woman. They did not oppose bail.

The Albanese government also claims that everything going wrong with immigration is the fault of department officials, at arm’s length from politicians.

What rot! What's the point of having elected ministers and a prime minister if that's the case. What's the point of elections if politicians refuse to take the responsibilities they were elected to take, as it is now quite obvious that Albanese and his gang won't take responsibility for anything, not just immigration.

Well, ttbn, it will get worse, if Labour wins the next election with
a majority as now it will be "see we had it right !"
If it ends up a minority government which experts think is likely,
it will be even worse as they will have to implement the Greens mad
projects. The Female Party will make sure that there will be no
windmills in their site and Bowen's will go anywhere else.
Either way buy a big Nickle Iron battery and enough solar cells to
keep it charged to give you enough to run a microwave and TV.
Any more would be too expensive. The solar cells will be down to 50%
in about 10 or 15 years. The battery however will go on forever.
You might well go out before the economy does but it might be good
advice for the kids or anyone else listening.

As Jacinta Price says, “Albo keeps insisting to anyone who’ll listen that he’s the Prime Minister but he keeps refusing to do the job of a Prime Minister.”

Price talks about the crime in Alice Springs that lazy-boy (just hand out other people's money) hurled at the problem ($250 million).

That didn't work, so he's wasted another $20 million, which won't work either.

What's that saying about insanity? Insanity is doing the same thing that didn't work again and expecting a different result. Taxpayers are funding Albanese's insanity - while the violence, riots and theft continue.

The Mayor of Alice Springs and the local MP have called for an audit on the mad spending, but Albanese is ‘not going to discuss those matters’.

“ … dodging accountability is standard operating procedure for this Prime Minister.”

Baz

Labor will probably win a second term due to compulsory voting and the ridiculous preferential system.

But, there is every indication that things wouldn't be much different under Coalition that us also interested in getting elected instead of seeing to the interests of Australia and Australians.

There is less and less difference between to two parties by the day. Mass immigration, digital ID, no cash, censorship of freedom of speech. They are like two peas in a pod. Dutt Dutton is an absolute disaster.

>>Well, ttbn, it will get worse, if Labour wins the next election with
a majority as now it will be "see we had it right !"<<

Exactly.
We have 2 main parties, both are crap, we have to vote for the lesser evil, and the one that comes out least hated is somehow going to think they had the support of the nation.
[rolls eyes]

Like with 30 % of the vote again.

The only party with a sensible approach to immigration right now is One Nation.

The Australian Population Research Institute asked people if they thought that they belonged to Australia.

In Melbourne, 49% said yes to a great extent; Sydney, 59%; other capitals, 54%, and in the regions, 62%.(fewer immigrants, and less multiculturalism).

The poorer the mentality of the hosts the worse the mentality of the newcomer ! A Non-military National Service can reverse that.

Saw another video from Germany with Muslim antics ! Australians either wake up or better get ready !

Poland has the most moral policy !

Just look up this in Google

Here’s why Poland takes in millions of migrants... just not Muslim ones

How many Muslim countries are taking in refugees from non-muslim countries & offer them housing, education & a living in general ?

Indyvidual

The answer is none. Muslim Egypt borders Gaza and they have deliberately closed their borders to Palestinians militarily and with the help of nomadic Bedouins who move around the border.

The potential terrorists are taken in by the lunatic Albanese to further unsettle Australia and endanger Australians. Muslim countries do not want lunatics just because they claim to share the same religion. Muslims don't want to be terrorised any more than non-Muslims do.

ttbn,
whilst on the subject, the Eurovision contest had the predictable & desired outcome as planned by those working towards the downfall of Western society ! (T)Alibanese can't see how much he is helping that cause.

I have read that the EU and Poland are having a legal fight because
Poland will not take the moslems flooding into Europe.
Currently the R word is getting traction politically in Europe but
it is probably too late.

Sometimes I wonder if those who call themselves Australian are actually interested in saving this Nation !

Well, sooner or later it had to happen.
A new Dutch government is to be formed.
It has adopted a policy intended to stop the infamous Replacement.
There will be a crack down on work visas and similar visas and what
they call chain visas. I think they mean by that Family visas.
No doubt as we have seen, son, mother, sister, husband son wife etc
etc. They even intend to forcible deport some categories.
The article makes a comment on the nuclear armed Islamic Republic of France !

https://click.mlsend.com/link/c/YT0yNDgyNTcxMjUxMDM0MzYzNTc3JmM9djVoNyZlPTc4MzE0JmI9MTMyMTE0NzcyOSZkPWI0bTlkMXE=.Hqy0KXoJAFCcNuHy4qAcLH3wl4FXuHMcUFCqolt2Oq4

https://tinyurl.com/46n7c2hz