Fair is fair!
Yuyutsu,
Knowing full well that you won't get it but I know quite a number of fair people who are quite stupid !

Hi Yuyutsu,

A past wrong, and given the context of the time it probably wasn't a wrong for the British to settle Australia. In no way does that justify having uncontrolled boarders today. Indy is a migrant, and he would have gone through a rigorous control process before entering Australia.

Indy, BTW I see its another 20 bucks in your pocket from today, thanks to us long suffering taxpayers! When will this old age largesse stop, and a SENIORS NATIONAL SERVICE be invoked!

Dear Paul,

«A past wrong, and given the context of the time it probably wasn't a wrong for the British to settle Australia.»

No, it was not wrong for the British to settle Australia, at least not as individuals - and by the same token it is not wrong for other individuals to settle Australia today.

I understand the need for borders in order to prevent the importation of crime, terrorism, infectious diseases and foreign regimes - these go under legitimate self-defence, but other than that nobody has the right to block off parts of God's land from others.

Hi Yuyutsu,

I understand what you are saying, good people should be free to move wherever and whenever they so choose. But there is the "selfish" aspect of those already occupying the space in question. The degradation of that amenable space by over population. I do recall a conversion we had sometime back where you stated the worlds population needed to be reduce by, was it 97%, correct me if I'm wrong.

If there was a sudden influx of say, 50 million into Australia, a small number by world standards, that would result in huge problems, which I don't need to spell out, how would you deal with that?

" ....nobody has the right to block off parts of God's land from others", claims Yuyutsu,

But they do. Sovereign governments have the right to decide who enters their countries and by what means they do it.

Dear Ttbn,

«Sovereign governments have the right to decide who enters their countries»

There is no such moral right - Only if "might is right".

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Dear Paul,

Yes, I believe that world population needs to be reduced to the range of 100M-200M people.

Just because people enter the land I am on, does not mean that I have to accept them into my society as well.

I may want to accept them, but I don't have to, or perhaps I could accept them only to some degree and not on equal terms. I do not, for example, have to grant them assistance, security and protections or I may grant them only a limited recourse to them.

In practice, and depending on the severity of the situation, I would probably use economic levers to discourage mass migration. I could for example:

* not give uninvited migrants any welfare.
* not recognise their employment by Australian businesses as a legitimate tax-deductible expense.
* not register their real-estate purchases in the land registry.
* not grant them Australian driver licenses - or perhaps sell them licenses at 10 times the price Australian citizens pay.
* not make the Australian court system available to them in case they have been wronged by Australian citizens and wish to sue them.

I could go on, but I think you can get the gist.