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Is Australia a melting pot, a salad bowl, or a mosaic?

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Modern Australia today is a multitude of cultures,
experiences, beliefs, and traditions. It owes its
accomplishments as a nation to all the contributions
of more than 300 ancestries from the First Australians,
to the newest arrivals.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 13 March 2024 3:30:47 PM
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Dear Foxy,

«Modern Australia today is a multitude of cultures»

What is modern about Australia? it existed for 100 millions of years, separated from Gondwana around 100 million years ago, then became a fully independent continent around 30,000-35,000 years ago.

Australia supports a multitude of cultures - but is not identical in any way with the cultures it supports: Australia could continue to exist just the same with or without these cultures.

«It owes its accomplishments as a nation to...»

Hold your horses, Australia is not a nation, Australia is a continent, there is no such thing as "nation" except in human imagination, thus no "accomplishments" thereof.

«to all the contributions
of more than 300 ancestries from the First Australians,
to the newest arrivals.»

It is nice to have all this variety of people, and just like you I am glad to be living among them, but that has nothing to do with this flawed and imaginary concept of "nation".
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 13 March 2024 3:58:15 PM
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The notion that 'diversity is strength' is mere sloganeering. Its just a fact-free assertion There is no evidence that multicultural societies are 'stronger', more resilient or more success than monocultural societies. Indeed the exact opposite.

There has never been a long term successful civilisation where there were multiple cultures co-existing on equal terms. To be sure, there were places like Rome where many cultures lived cheek-by-jowl but there was always a dominant culture (that of the Latins) and the rest were 'tolerated'.

It is claimed that Australia is a successful multicultural society, but in truth, the jury remains out. To date, multiculturalism exists by cannibalising the successes of the previous monocultural Australia.

We'll know more in a few generations, but, given what's happening in Europe, its not looking promising.

Still, those who just want it to be true, will continue to assert without evidence, that we are a successful multicultural society and that 'diversity is strength' despite things like calls for genocide of one of the cultures and things like Sudanese crimes gangs, Lebanese tit-for-tat executions and Chinese infiltration.

Rose coloured glasses help not see the truth.
Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 13 March 2024 4:05:08 PM
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Afternoon mhaze,
"Struth, what a dill".
- Yes, but you're a tolerable dill, and we all have to put up with you nonetheless.

Now, a dill like you probably doesn't understand this
But some people are criticising the 'slaughter' of innocent Palestinians.
And others like you are are criticising those who are criticising.
- And that's because you defend the slaughter of the innocents.

It would have been just as easy to speak out against those committing these atrocities;
(i.e. the 'cause')
But no, you take a different route, you criticise the criticisers.
(i.e. you criticise the 'effect'.)

Here's the clincher
'If Israel wasn't doing what it was doing;
Pro-Palestinians might not be saying whatever it is they're saying'

Seems kind-of stupid on your behalf complaining about the effect but not the cause, doesn't it?
- But don't let me stop you when you're making a fool of yourself, by all means - please continue.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 13 March 2024 4:27:31 PM
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No AC I was criticising those calling for the genocide of the Jews. That's it.

Now we know that you are rather favourable toward genocide provided it is of the 'right' people, but not I.

It seems to me its possible to be critical, highly critical, of the Israelis if that's your desire without calling for the extermination of them all. But that's just me.
"But some people are criticising the 'slaughter' of innocent Palestinians". Criticising is one thing... calling for the extermination of those being criticised is quite another.

But the biggest issue in regards to THIS thread is that calling for the extermination of a group that forms part of multicultural Australia rather puts paid to claims of a successful multicultural society especially when we have people like AC (and let's face it, he's not a lone voice here) trying to excuse the calls for genocide.
Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 13 March 2024 4:52:57 PM
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Dear Mhaze,

«There is no evidence that multicultural societies are 'stronger', more resilient or more success than monocultural societies.»

First we need definitions:

What is a society?
What makes a society strong?
What makes a society resilient?
What makes a society successful?

With different expectations, some could interpret a set of facts to indicate a strong, resilient and successful society while others could interpret the same facts to indicate a weak, fragile and failing society.

«To be sure, there were places like Rome where many cultures lived cheek-by-jowl but there was always a dominant culture (that of the Latins) and the rest were 'tolerated'.»

Rome according to me was not a success story - most who lived under the Roman empire suffered and had a miserable life. They were persecuted, enslaved, exiled and heavily taxed. It was the Romans who for example invented the crucifixion: Remember the gladiators? Maybe the lions were happy!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 13 March 2024 5:18:41 PM
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