Paul1405,
Judging by your rhetoric it may be an idea to check what your role was in the Robodebt fiasco !

Indy,

'Robodebt' was a vindictive and hateful scheme imposed by the NOALITION government on people like YOU, for ideological reasons. The same NOALITION mob the likes of you vote for.

I ask you a practical question about your National Service for 18 years old, and you can't answer. YOU expect the answers to come from someone else. The fact is YOUR scheme would have zero support in the community.

I ask again; You said "They could do work that can not be done economically by award wages people." And I asked; What are those jobs?

If you can't answer a simple question like that, it shows your scheme is nothing more than a pie in the sky, thought bubble.

According to you, asking questions of you makes me a communists.

According to you, asking questions of you makes me a communists.
Paul1405,
What a stupid remark. Stupid questions & stupid remarks are what makes you that. How many more times do you need to have it told that a NMNS is not a career, it is a step towards acquiring a sense of responsibility which in turn will go a long way towards a rewarding career in adult life.
Picking up rubbish, cleaning graffiti, keeping Parks tidy, in fact ANYTHING that unskilled inexperienced can do to gain skills & experience. A sense of responsibility will turn out to be a skill just as experience will improve skill. The whole point is to do something worthwhile that'll eventually lead to a mentality that sees those experiences as worthwhile. With every tiny degree of experience, young people will build a much healthier mentality than you could ever comprehend and, unlike you, they'll come to appreciate the value of a healthier mentality. Remember outfits such as the Scouts etc ? Cleaning the yards for old people, helping in soup kitchens etc. Every community has small jobs that can be done. The insipid notion of laying it all out up front doesn't make it work. Going there, look what needs to be done & then do it is the motto. A gang of misguided by their parents & the likes of you teens, will not cause damage to property or harm to others whilst they are in a Bush camp or otherwise occupied. That is the whole point !

Would be 'thread starters' on OLO need to be aware that their topics will inevitability be trashed by a couple of idiots conducting silly arguments that concern only them and their egos.

Indy,

Slow as it is, we are making progress in uncovering what you propose your CONSCRIPTED ARMY of 18 years involves.

You said it would be compulsory for ALL 300,000 people aged 18 to take part in your National Service for a period of a year, logistically that's about 800 to 1,000 new recruits daily and the same number exiting the scheme daily hummmmm.

Then its the "work"involved, simply free menial labour for others, "Picking up rubbish, cleaning graffiti, keeping Parks tidy, in fact ANYTHING that unskilled inexperienced can do to gain skills & experience." What skills & experience will my granddaughter gain by picking up rubbish! She is doing a collage course presently to gain skills for a career. She doesn't need to pick up rubbish for a year to make her a better person.

You have it in your head that ALL teenagers are misguided misfits involved in crime and antisocial behaviour. That is a small minority otherwise why would you want to punish all teenagers with your compulsorily national servitude. Wake up, some old fart that some kid did him a disservice at some time, now he wants to punish the lot with his hate inspired scheme. Good luck with that!

Well nothing's ever going to change so long as we have morons running the show.
Here's my official gripe for the day:

Not Even The Ukrainians Want To Live In Ukraine

Thousands of displaced Ukrainians in Australia on temporary humanitarian visas risk being left in limbo
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-23/ukrainians-australia-displaced-humanitarian-visa/103498964

>>We have people now who have been here for over two years. They want to know what the future is," said Stefan Romaniw, co-chair of the Australian Federation of Ukrainian Organisations (AFUO).

He said current options to apply for permanent residency are challenging for many in the community due to obstacles such as age limits, recognition of qualifications, English skills assessment and sponsorship limitations.

"Give them stability and dignity to be able to create their new lives in Australia," he said.
Marta Artamenko and her daughter Khrystyna are among those who face an uncertain future.
The pair fled their home city of Kyiv in February 2022 when the Ukrainian capital was attacked by Russian forces.
Weeks later, they arrived in Sydney where they were granted temporary humanitarian visas."

So what the hell are we sending Ukraine money and weapons for if they don't even want to live there anymore?
And if we (not me but all of you) really support this conflict then why don't we send this woman and her 17 year old daughter back to Ukraine so they can be conscripted into the military like all the other women?
If this is what we... scratch that - all of you lot - support...

And how do they get 'humanitarian' VISA's living in Kiev? it's not like they were living in areas that are now under Russian control and had to flee?
Why are they so special compared to all the other Ukrainian women and kids still living in Kiev?
What are they, family of government officials?
What bs humanitarian grounds did they claim?
And why did Australia sign off on it?