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The Case of Alan Jones.

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There was no evidence found to clear Cardinal Pell.
There was in the case of Kathleen Follbigg.
Big difference. And I was overjoyed when she was cleared.
Not when Pell got off on a legal technicality.

And mhaze, if you are going to persist in hurling insults
at me and stirring the shyte-pot - at least have the
decency to lick the spoon.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 14 December 2023 2:17:37 PM
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In a world of partisans that Foxy falls for, Louise Milligan is a the top of the list. She never met a complainant against anyone remotely associated with the church that she didn't believe. Little wonder Foxy falls for it....yet again.

The HC found in favour of Pell by 7-0 thus earning Louise the nickname Seven-nil-again.

"There was no evidence found to clear Cardinal Pell."
I am coming around to the view that this really is beyond for intellectual capacity. There was no need to find evidence to clear Pell, the state is required to find conclusive evidence that he did what was claimed. Indeed the HC addressed that very issue in its judgement, which of course you managed to ignore...as usual.

Again Folbigg was released because the case against her didn't prove she killed her kids beyond a reasonable doubt.
Pell was released because the case against him didn't prove he molested anyone beyond a reasonable doubt.

And haters like Foxy will twist and turn to try to hide from that.
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 14 December 2023 3:37:19 PM
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Foxy,

Kathleen Follbigg was freed on appeal because she introduced reasonable doubt. She was not cleared at all.

"Kathleen Folbigg was pardoned and freed in June on the recommendation of retired judge Tom Bathurst, who re-examined all the evidence put to her 2003 trial and found “reasonable doubt” as to her guilt."

So she got off on a "legal technicality" too.
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 15 December 2023 4:34:48 AM
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Syoksya,

In the high court judgement, the term innocent was used in reference to Pell more than once.
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 15 December 2023 4:36:39 AM
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Gentlemen,

I have no control over your beliefs.

Louise Milligan - an award-winning author and an
investigative reporter. She has a law degree and has
reported on courts for 2 decades. Early in her career
she was the High Court reporter for The Australian.
She worked for 7 years for 7 News until she became an
investigative reporter for ABC, 7.30 and 4 Corners.

As she explains - "Everything had to be very carefully
fact-checked. Every word, every story had to be
carefully thought through."

We're told that Milligan went from reporting on
the Pell story to being front and centre when she was
called as a witness during the committal hearing and spent
six and a half hours of being cross-examined by Pell's
barrister, Robert Richter.

An experience she said had
given her an insight into how brutal the legal process
can be. She said her words were being twisted and she felt
a huge responsibility to the complainants who had come
forward to her, as well as to their families. Not to let
them down.

As stated earlier, Milligan does have a law degree and has
reported on courts for two decades and despite having the
ABC behind her - she still found it all traumatic - and all
she could do as she said was think about what it would be
like for the surviving choir boy or other complainants giving
evidence. She stayed with the story.

Her book - "The Cardinal: The Rise and Fall of Cardinal Pell,"
was certainly a very disturbing read. And while it was enormously
difficult for Milligan at times. Milligan says she felt
compelled to stay with the story for the sake of those she's
met who felt abused and failed by the church.

"This is not about vindication. This is about the little kids
whose lives were destroyed and whose families were left to
pick up the pieces and I still feel enormously sad about it."

Her thorough investigations were aired on "4 Corners," and iview.

Gentlemen,

I feel that there's nothing to be gained by
further conversation with you.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 15 December 2023 10:01:02 AM
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"Her thorough investigations were aired on "4 Corners," and iview."

And the HC found she was wrong. There's a vast difference between using the compliant media to carry forth a vendetta against the church and proving wrong-doing in court. Although it seems that is beyond the understanding of some here.
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 15 December 2023 10:22:59 AM
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