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Peter Dutton - Political Stirrer.

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The hypocrisy of these people is a wonder to behold.

The government deliberately and knowing went into the referendum while withholding detail about how the Voice would work. Albanese specifically said he wanted to withhold the detail because he'd learned the lesson from the republic referendum.

So a majority of Australians decided that they couldn't support a proposition where the details were unknown and where the details were deliberately withheld because they'd be unacceptable to the majority.

So now the hypocrites are arguing that a decision to not support the 'Yes' side because of lack of detail proves that the whole thing was based on ignorance. In a way that's true, but it was ignorance the government and the aboriginal elite had knowingly and deliberately created.
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 24 October 2023 6:09:05 AM
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"While the defeat of the ‘Yes’ campaign is obviously very pleasing, it is only one crucial step in the direction of developing, and thereafter maintaining, a united country. This is because the relentless pressure for special rights for indigenous Australians will undoubtedly continue and may even accelerate. The activists will certainly clamour for constitutional recognition and ever-grander benefits." (Moens & McRobert, 'Hissy Fits for Some, Ongoing Misery for Others', Quadrant Online, 23/10/23).
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 24 October 2023 7:28:53 AM
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The Yes people just can't accept the majority of people didn't want those constitutional changes.
They are coming up with every bs excuse to blame the No campaign and No voters when it was always up to them to sell their new policy.

They had way more money and the support of business, yet Aussies weren't buying.

I'm getting sick of their excuses to blame misinfo and disinfo, (an excuse to put more laws in place so the next attempt wont fail) when their campaign rested on emotional manipulation and rather than merit.
(Effectively saying the 'Yes' would've won otherwise)

'This is a once in a generation opportunity'.
'This is the right thing to do.'
'Australia will be a pariah on the world stage'

All that shite equates to an emotional manipulation campaign, not a campaign based on selling it's policy on it's own merits.

Yet they effing whinge about what the other side was doing.
They sure as feck weren't selling a policy on it's own merits.

I'm getting fed up with all their bullcrap.
Now they want to shame and guilt the majority for how they voted.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 24 October 2023 8:03:28 AM
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We're told that more than 60% of Australians voted
NO to altering the Constitution in order to create
a Voice to Parliament to represent Indigenous
communities.

Although the outcome was a big NO. We're also told that -
in many remote Australian communities in some of the
poorest parts of the country they voted overwhelmingly in
favour of the Voice. Some with support closer to 90%.

There will now be a great deal of finger-pointing and
soul searching as to what went wrong - or in some cases -
what went right.

However talking to people it becomes obvious that some
Australians did not understand what the Voice was. Others
were convinced that a Voice to Parliament was not the
right model to address systemic disadvantage.

Others still felt that the Voice was a "land grab,"
and that it had the power to make laws Misinformation
did spread quickly on social media and the YES campaign
and the government were unable to effectively counter
the spread.

Many YES campaigners and Indigenous folk are now
calling the results "tragic."
Others have gone into mourning. Whilst still others are
speaking out publicly for the first time.

The thing is
that for whatever the reasons may be that contributed
to the failure of the Voice Referendum -and despite the
fact that the YES campaign mobilised tens of thousands
of volunteers, it failed to capture the support of a
majority of Australians in a majority of states.

And for that - in my personal view - Australia does deserve
a great big raspberry! (joke).

Seriously though, what happens next we shall have to wait and
see. The government has so much on its plate at the moment,
including the conflict in the Middle East, the cost of living,
and the list goes on.

I'm hoping that something positive can come out of all this
once we stop playing the blame game. And, I guess having
the right leadership to come together and support each other
could make all the difference for success next time.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 24 October 2023 9:21:11 AM
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Post truth mhaze,

I have already shown how Dutton was twice approached to agree on the Carma Langton report as the basis for the Voice but refused.

He is the one who walked away from providing detail.

So why do you keep claiming otherwise?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 24 October 2023 9:30:48 AM
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Peter Dutton's got to go!
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 24 October 2023 10:27:24 AM
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