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Is It Already Too Late ?

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Recently we have had discussions about the electricity system, and
whether the government's plan can work.
I would like to know on what day was Bowen's starting gun fired on his
plan for 22,000 panels a day and 90 wind turbines a month fired.
I cannot find anything on the AEMO website about how much progress
has been made. All there seems to be are a couple of graphs about
when each state will fall below the reliability standard.
That I think is network talk for blackouts.
The other graph seems to be for all planned installations being
complete and only Victoria still falling below reliability standard.
I suspect that because there is so much dispute over transmission
lines renewable companies won't start installation until the
transmission lines are installed.
It seems inevitable that the plan will fail.
The blackouts will cause the destruction of the Labour/Greens alliance
and the Lib/CP alliance will be faced with an economy in an economic
collapse and no money to complete Labour's plan.
The surviving coal plants will be resurrected.
There are as far as I can find out a few Modular Reactor companies
Westinghouse, Rolls Royce, General Electric and possibly a Korean company.
As I understand it none have an approved design ready for tenders.
With renewable plans collapsing everywhere, the unmet demand for
SMRs will be many years into the future.

It only leaves one choice, build them ourselves.
However with all these millions of migrants on the dole will we have the money ?
Posted by Bezza, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 5:11:18 PM
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God Bezza, don’t jump, there is always hope!

There once was a time when people generally didn’t have electricity, I’m one of them.
Kero fridges work well, as long as you don’t have an ice cream addiction.

Come to think of it, there was no running water either; then comes a cyclone, all tank water was contaminated with salt water, at that stage there was water water everywhere but, as they say, not a drop to drink.

At that stage, the proprietor of the one small grocery store, picked that very moment to commit suicide….life IS stranger than fiction.

In the middle of all that was a ten year old kid with blood poisoning..no doctor!
(I’ve mentioned his story on another thread if you want to go looking).

You can live without electricity, it’s actually joyful!
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 21 September 2023 12:00:49 AM
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Hi Diver. Yes some of us can live without electricity. I lived on my yacht for 16 years. 10 in civilisation with marinas & shore power, but 6 of those was out in the Pacific. I had a small generator that would run a sewing machine to repair my sails, & charge the batteries every few days to run the 12 volt lights, but no more. This would be easier today with LEDs requiring less power, but I'm not sure those on the 15Th floor of a high rise apartment block would get by with no lifts, or the food supply would go in the cities with no refrigeration in the super markets.

Today our whole life style is geared to most having our food supplies to be brought to us, & our trains to get many to work. Yes it was fine for me, [& you], I could catch a fish or two, gather a few coconuts, & villagers usually had some sweet potato to swap for fishing gear, but I doubt our cities are a good sight to start a hunter gather life style.

I don't know what our elites are thinking, wanting to eliminate fossil fuels, & run our electrical system down with intermittent wind generators & solar panels, but I think they are playing a dangerous game. Sooner or later the general public will realise what has been intentionally done to us, & by whom. It just might be a very dangerous time to be a member of the elite about that time.

Out here in the sticks many of us have moderately large generators. My 10KVA gen set was actually bought to supply 3 phase power when the grid could not supply us the other 2 phases, but can easily run the house when required. I will start getting very upset with someone if the supply of diesel is not available when next I want to fill the tank. The elites need to realise that if people are upset enough they become dangerous, particularly if they have nothing to loose.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 21 September 2023 4:30:05 AM
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Hi there Hassy,

My grandfathers place out Wellington NSW way didn't get power until well into the 1960's. They did well, with kerosene lamps, and a fuel stove. The only luxury was a very small "silent knight kerosene fridge". It was a good life for a kid of 10.

p/s The old fellas was rather stingy with the use of the kerosene. The only exception, it was okay for grandma to stay up late and do sowing repairs by the light of a lamp.

My wife grew up in a "homestead" in rural New Zealand, without power through her whole childhood, they were very "native" people, her father worked for the pakiha farmer for two quid a week on stolen Maori land. They didn't get a timber floor in the house until it was near the time she left home to work and study in Auckland, her father wanted her to have an education, something he never had. It was a very "communistic" lifestyle in the valley, not a lot of play time, children were expected to work around the place. My wife when she was only little had one job of going into the bush regularly and gathering firewood, tie a rope around it and drag it home. Work in the veggie garden with her mother, carting water from the creek, lots of hard work then, but she thought nothing of it. She tells me she had a very poor but happy childhood, she believes it was better than most children have today.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 21 September 2023 5:41:41 AM
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Chris Bowen has got the ball rolling with a nuclear cost estimate for replacing coal. Suggested it was prohibitively expensive, but it was a fraction of the optimistic renewable energy cost estimate. It scares me that people like him are determining Australia's energy future.
Posted by Fester, Thursday, 21 September 2023 6:11:17 AM
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The federal government’s reported estimate to convert Australia’s baseload power stations from coal to nuclear of $387 billion compares cost of environment-ruining wires and pylons all over the place, and putting farms out of action.

SNRs can be located on coal generator sites, and existing wires used.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 21 September 2023 7:47:20 AM
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