Recently we have had discussions about the electricity system, and
whether the government's plan can work.
I would like to know on what day was Bowen's starting gun fired on his
plan for 22,000 panels a day and 90 wind turbines a month fired.
I cannot find anything on the AEMO website about how much progress
has been made. All there seems to be are a couple of graphs about
when each state will fall below the reliability standard.
That I think is network talk for blackouts.
The other graph seems to be for all planned installations being
complete and only Victoria still falling below reliability standard.
I suspect that because there is so much dispute over transmission
lines renewable companies won't start installation until the
transmission lines are installed.
It seems inevitable that the plan will fail.
The blackouts will cause the destruction of the Labour/Greens alliance
and the Lib/CP alliance will be faced with an economy in an economic
collapse and no money to complete Labour's plan.
The surviving coal plants will be resurrected.
There are as far as I can find out a few Modular Reactor companies
Westinghouse, Rolls Royce, General Electric and possibly a Korean company.
As I understand it none have an approved design ready for tenders.
With renewable plans collapsing everywhere, the unmet demand for
SMRs will be many years into the future.

It only leaves one choice, build them ourselves.
However with all these millions of migrants on the dole will we have the money ?

God Bezza, don’t jump, there is always hope!

There once was a time when people generally didn’t have electricity, I’m one of them.
Kero fridges work well, as long as you don’t have an ice cream addiction.

Come to think of it, there was no running water either; then comes a cyclone, all tank water was contaminated with salt water, at that stage there was water water everywhere but, as they say, not a drop to drink.

At that stage, the proprietor of the one small grocery store, picked that very moment to commit suicide….life IS stranger than fiction.

In the middle of all that was a ten year old kid with blood poisoning..no doctor!
(I’ve mentioned his story on another thread if you want to go looking).

You can live without electricity, it’s actually joyful!

Hi Diver. Yes some of us can live without electricity. I lived on my yacht for 16 years. 10 in civilisation with marinas & shore power, but 6 of those was out in the Pacific. I had a small generator that would run a sewing machine to repair my sails, & charge the batteries every few days to run the 12 volt lights, but no more. This would be easier today with LEDs requiring less power, but I'm not sure those on the 15Th floor of a high rise apartment block would get by with no lifts, or the food supply would go in the cities with no refrigeration in the super markets.

Today our whole life style is geared to most having our food supplies to be brought to us, & our trains to get many to work. Yes it was fine for me, [& you], I could catch a fish or two, gather a few coconuts, & villagers usually had some sweet potato to swap for fishing gear, but I doubt our cities are a good sight to start a hunter gather life style.

I don't know what our elites are thinking, wanting to eliminate fossil fuels, & run our electrical system down with intermittent wind generators & solar panels, but I think they are playing a dangerous game. Sooner or later the general public will realise what has been intentionally done to us, & by whom. It just might be a very dangerous time to be a member of the elite about that time.

Out here in the sticks many of us have moderately large generators. My 10KVA gen set was actually bought to supply 3 phase power when the grid could not supply us the other 2 phases, but can easily run the house when required. I will start getting very upset with someone if the supply of diesel is not available when next I want to fill the tank. The elites need to realise that if people are upset enough they become dangerous, particularly if they have nothing to loose.

Hi there Hassy,

My grandfathers place out Wellington NSW way didn't get power until well into the 1960's. They did well, with kerosene lamps, and a fuel stove. The only luxury was a very small "silent knight kerosene fridge". It was a good life for a kid of 10.

p/s The old fellas was rather stingy with the use of the kerosene. The only exception, it was okay for grandma to stay up late and do sowing repairs by the light of a lamp.

My wife grew up in a "homestead" in rural New Zealand, without power through her whole childhood, they were very "native" people, her father worked for the pakiha farmer for two quid a week on stolen Maori land. They didn't get a timber floor in the house until it was near the time she left home to work and study in Auckland, her father wanted her to have an education, something he never had. It was a very "communistic" lifestyle in the valley, not a lot of play time, children were expected to work around the place. My wife when she was only little had one job of going into the bush regularly and gathering firewood, tie a rope around it and drag it home. Work in the veggie garden with her mother, carting water from the creek, lots of hard work then, but she thought nothing of it. She tells me she had a very poor but happy childhood, she believes it was better than most children have today.

Chris Bowen has got the ball rolling with a nuclear cost estimate for replacing coal. Suggested it was prohibitively expensive, but it was a fraction of the optimistic renewable energy cost estimate. It scares me that people like him are determining Australia's energy future.

The federal government’s reported estimate to convert Australia’s baseload power stations from coal to nuclear of $387 billion compares cost of environment-ruining wires and pylons all over the place, and putting farms out of action.

SNRs can be located on coal generator sites, and existing wires used.

The UK government announced on September 8th. that the fifth auction for contracts for renewable energy was a failure.

The industry has declared that electricity prices are not high enough, and without higher subsidies they will stop building.

There were no bids for offshore wind, the UK's "flagship renewable generator.

We are not going to save the planet by bankrupting the British people.’

— UK Home Secretary Suella Braverman.

The Sunak government has axed Net Zero plans that would have cost each family $AU30,000.

Meanwhile, Albanese and Bungler Bowen carry on, reducing Australia to a poorer version of the old USSR.

Yes, extraordinary how silent and uncritical some media has been about the nuclear cost estimate Bowen touted. Here he is saying nuclear is off the table as it's prohibitively expensive, then he releases a cost estimate suggesting that nuclear would cost a fraction of what non-dispatchable wind and solar might cost. Hopefully the ABC might comment on this contradiction sometime.

'We are not going to save the planet by bankrupting the British people.’

The rich wouldn't go bankrupt.
They have all their money in offshore accounts and investments that create windfalls off of the crisis while others are freezing to death in their beds.

Yes Paul, we had won the lottery & got to the top of the waiting list for a kero fridge in Townsville in 1948. Mum could now make ice cream, a luxury not often available so soon after the war.

We also had a chip shower & a wood fuel copper to do the washing. Two of my jobs were to gather the chips & wood for the copper from Castle Hill. Probably illegal now thanks to our greeny friends. The other job was swinging handle on the manual wringer

Different times. No problem getting petrol, we didn't need it, as you had to know the right people to get a car. Even an old bomb was highly sort after. We finally got a 1928 Chev in 1952.

We also lived in a dirt floor tin shed when we moved to Bathurst, while dad built enough house to move into. At one stage work stopped for a month when you couldn't get nails. We had a procession of people after our shed, when we moved into the part built house.

No we didn't feel deprived, everyone we knew was in the same position, & we had just won a war. We felt lucky our fathers had come home.

People could grow their own to some extent in those days, with large yards. Today in most sub developments you could mow the small bit of land with a pair of scissors as quickly as with a mower. No room to grow much food.

We have trained a couple of generations to depend on power at the plug, refrigeration & food at the local supermarket. Retraining them now to a 40s life style would be near impossible in less that a generation.

No Dan, I won't jump !
There is a quick way to find out the real cost of modular reactors,
just call for tenders.
Problem is I believe that there is only one design currently approved.

Reading everyone's hard childhood times I realise how easy I had it.
My father a returned wounded soldier was a painter on the tramways
and we had an icebox for food. We later bought a car.

The IEA is forecasting that oil demand will exceed supply in December
or January. So Hasbeen stock up on diesel.
At $387 billion for 71 nukes Bowen should write the cheque now !

It gets worse; the Danish Wind turbine company Vattenfall has refused
to tender to the UK government for Sea wind turbines.
Stating they are too maintenance intensive and unreliable.
That should be a flag that Bowen should notice.
It is obvious that no one will build a solar farm unless the grid is
already in place.
So every day that this goes on is 22,000 solar panels
that did not get installed.
The climate warriors have got us into this mess but I do not see them
even acknowledging that there is a problem.
What would I do ?
I would call for tenders for Gas Turbine power stations as I think they
could be quick builds.
Re nukes a friend who was boss at Lucas Heights from its beginning till
his retirement gave a talk at the local radio club on the nuclear
industry.
Australia he said should establish a yellow cake processing plant to
produce uranium fuel and sell it for a better deal than ore sales.
We should establish a spent fuel processing plant and take other
countries spent fuel.
We could take other countries waste and make a fortune.
We could establish three power plants to use depleted fuel and pass
used fuel through each in turn and the fuel out of the third plant
would be low activity for storage.
Others would pay us for these services and we would have all
the electricity we could use while making a fortune from other's waste.
Keith, as was his name, was involved in the invention of the magnetron
used in airborne radar and went to the US to show them how to make them.
He then disappeared into the US nuclear field and reappeared for
the British nuclear tests at Monte Bellow.
He worked at nuclear power stations in the UK then came back to
Australia to build the nuclear power station at Jervis Bay.
The foundations were laid when PM Billy McMahon chickened out !
Keith then was given the job to get Lucas Heights running.
Therein lies the beginning of our energy problems.

You are right Bazz. Nuclear could deliver Australia cheaper low-carbon energy, generate foreign income and provide many jobs. The renewable con will leave Australia destitute.

So why doesn't the government remove the nuclear energy ban, especially as they claim the major impediment to developing nuclear energy in Australia is an economic one? Why did they get renewable energy spruikers at CSIRO to do nuclear energy costings instead of ANSTO? To answer those questions you need look further than the recent ALP conference which revealed a cult extremist anti-nuclear ideology.

The ban on nuclear power in Australia needs to be lifted.

The Labour party cannot do it even if they do not still believe in renewables.
They are simply the captive of the greens, Albo will do as he is told.
If I was the opposition I would be going the rounds of the likely
SMR manufacturers and ask them to start working up likely tenders for
Australia so they could be lodged quickly after the next election.
I would do it openly, it would leak anyway, and so the electors would
see you were fair dinkum.
By the next election blackouts will be a regular event, so Albo's
protest about sussing out smr tenders would be ignored.
The other option is to force a No Confidence Motion in Parliament.
That won't happen until blackouts start.
I have a relative that cannot believe that the greens and Labour
would get us into this sort of a mess and it is all just a plot of
News Corp and the Liberal Party.
She just does not realise how STUPID they are.

I have just come across this statement on the NEM web site;
Quote
We're aiming to enable 100% renewable energy at any point in time
Our goal is to co-design and co-engineer the NEM and the WEM to manage 100% instantaneous penetration of renewables at any moment on any day by 2025.
Unquote
Does that say what I think it means ?
I have not even heard Bowen say that ! Only 1 1/2 years away !

Talking with a friend the other day I was told that Germany did a 20+ year survey on the reduction of emission from operating wind & solar farms. Apparently, it was found that wind & solar operate with 2% less emission than coal. All these savings apparently do not include the emission from the manufacture of the wind/solar infrastructure !
If anyone has any info on that survey/study please present it.

Individual, I have not seen anything about it.
However now that Britain looks like either reducing or scrapping
NetZero Germany is making similar noises.
Sweden of course officially abandoned Net Zero.

Reading about our governments slow progress with renewables and how
the completion time is extending together with the lifetime of solar
and wind I realise that we have misunderstood the meaning of the word renewables.
It means that they are renewable every 20 years or so !

Bezza,
Unfortunately, the Planet doesn't have enough space to discard this un-renewable renewable energy equipment.
Bowen's out-of-sight out-of-mind policy is as flawed as his whole Party & their supporters !

Hi Bezza,
"The IEA is forecasting that oil demand will exceed supply in December
or January. So Hasbeen stock up on diesel."
Yes, they've been saying that for a couple months.

You might find this video interesting.
The Global Economy Won’t Survive THIS - Russia & Saudi Are Forcing The Unthinkable
http://youtu.be/5-PQAPfkkv4

Russia and Saudi Arabia are putting the squeeze on global oil supply.
They are trying to lift oil prices so that the west is trapped and has no choice but to keep hiking interest rates.

"She just does not realise how STUPID they are."
- I'm not entirely sure it's stupidity alone.
I think all governments have been forced to toe the line on this climate change agenda.
If they don't they become pariah states, have to face university climate activists protests and stoppages and governments may not get access to investment funding as all the top asset managers are pushing this crap as well.
Even if it is STUPID, it seems they have to go along with it.

I heard something very alarming about renewables last night in a discussion about the dangers of lithium batteries, how they catch fire, and how difficult it is to extinguish the flames. I think you just have to wait for them to burn themselves out.

But, it appears that there is a similar problem with solar panels.

All those acres of panels polluting the bush; along comes a bushfire and, whacko bango, up they go.

Making the fire worse, and the electricity they produce a goner.

Then of courses, there's all Blackout Bowen's power lines and pylons, making it too dangerous to fly in water bombers.

I hadn't heard of so many battery related fires than since the emergence of Lithium batteries.
Looking at the forums dealing with lithium batteries makes one cringe with the complexities of battery management & the fiddly gadgetry !
And, yes as ttbn said, burning lithium batteries are extremely difficult to put out if not impossible with larger banks.
The average bloke on the street wouldn't grasp how to even just monitor the batteries. It's a way too involved experiment at this stage !

The insurance companies have said that there are fewer fires with
electric cars than petrol & diesel cars.
It is not a good idea to leave your phone on charge overnight.
Better chargers would taper off the rate as they approach 100% charge.
Some of the cheaper ones would not have the electronics to reduce
the charge rate automatically.
From what I have read the EV chargers have the facility to set the
cut off level to 90% charge. The lifetime of the those batteries is
said to always be kept between 10% and 80% for best results.

Interesting Bezza. There has been a number of fires aboard ships transporting EVs. I've never heard of that happening with petrol or diesel cars. In fact I've never heard of a petrol or diesel car spontaneously combusting. Am I missing something?

Hello Graham, The only subsequent report I heard was about the one
that returned to a Dutch port. That report said that the fire had
another cause not related to either petrol or electric cars.
It did not explain just what was the problem.
err hang on, it might have been the one in the Baltic.

BTW, Telstra responded they could find no reason why I do not receive
notifications.
Cheers

I don't understand why anyone isn't receiving notifications. Mine work fine, and I don't touch people's preferences, so there is nothing I have done. But you're not the only person to complain. It's a mystery which I will continue to look into.

Graham, hhhmmm, I found I had a very big list of notifications
so I deleted them all and reset my notifications but it made no difference.
You might check my notifications under the other email addresses
that I tried. I can no longer get to them and it is possible that it
tries to send them to those addresses but finds a problem with the
nickname or addresses do not match or are deleted.
de Bazz