Australian Bureau Statistics shows that 46% of female and 31% of males aged 16-24 have suffered a mental disorder in the last year. A total of 39% of youngsters suffered a mental disorder compared to 26.4% in 2007 and 27% in 1997.

Mental illness was steady until 2010, when it started increasing rapidly.

Social media receives some of the blame.

Left leaning students reported the most depression. Why?

Conservatives place a higher value on personal responsibility. Lefties are led to believe that they are victims of "intractable and systemic injustices", one theory has it.

In in Australia, the usual chestnuts come out:

. Baby boomers have all the money, causing "terrible" inequality.
. The threat of 'climate change'.
. Ongoing "oppression" of aborigines.
. There is "no such thing" as merit, only "levels of privilege".

In short, typical Leftist stinking thinking.

Thanks to their communist leaders, 70% of youngsters believe that they won't ever own property.

Reading the 2022 report, I missed the part which said; "Left leaning students reported the most depression", and the bit about, "communist leaders" Didn't come across the theory that; "Conservatives place a higher value on personal responsibility. Lefties are led to believe that they are victims of "intractable and systemic injustices"" nothing in the report about that. Me thinks the Old Parrot is up to his tricks once more. Like his 'Bin The Bill' thread, a dozen posts and so far, and in more that half its the Parrot replying to himself, sad really. Lets hope this one does better, but I doubt it.

I didn't say anything about a 2022 report, or any other report. You wouldn't have access to my information because we don't move in the same circles.

Your hatred of anyone not like you must be eating away at you like a cancer, you stupid, miserable sod. It's your mental health that is suffering, nobody else's.

Australian Bureau of Statistics, 'National Study of Mental Health and Wellbeing' reference period 2020-21 released 22/07/2022. Finding, 46.6% of female and 31.2% of males aged 16-24 have suffered a *mental disorder in the 12 month reference period.

*Disorders typically involved feelings of tension, distress or nervousness. Potentially limiting their interactions with the wider world and impacting the way they live.

It should be noted these feeling are reduced with age

ttbn,

Your opening line "Australian Bureau Statistics shows that 46% of female and 31% of males aged 16-24 have suffered a mental disorder in the last year." That was lifted from the above report, it said nothing about "Leftist Youth and Depression" as you claim from your title. How do you know they weren't Far Right youth suffering depression?

As for the circles YOU move in, those extreme circles you bang on about, with leadership like Bernardi and Hanson, How lucky I am.

Comrade Nasty,

You have made it your obnoxious business to try to cancel posters who are not extreme Left Green lunatics like yourself. The only reason I have responded to a creep like you is to point out something that you are probably too dumb to understand.

The ABS figures were used in the actual essay I read to point out the serious numbers of young depressives. After that, the ABS and whatever they had to say was finished. And, of course the ABS wasn't going to bring politics into it.

You are really dumb if you thought they would.

My information comes from a source much different and much smarter than a bunch of public service bureaucrats, who are just there to crunch numbers.

My source is one of those that you, lacking the intelligence and skills to debate, call Nazis, Far Right, White Supremacists, Racists Haters and other abuse common to ignoramuses like you.

Now, rack off and chat with your two idiot mates about how everyone else is wrong, and only you three should be heard ranting and raving as you do.

Hello! Really interesting statistics. The rise in mental disorders among young people is an important issue. It may be that social media and changes in society do have an impact on mental health.

As for the differences of opinion between left-wing and right-wing students, this is a really difficult issue. Personally, I believe that diversity of opinions and approaches can be beneficial to society. It is important to respect each other's points of view and strive for constructive dialogue.

Thanks for the information ttbn- Kudos.

"Left leaning students reported the most depression. Why?"

I think that people from conservative families are less likely to report any illness, how less so a mental illness, which could prove a shameful stain on their family and could also jeopardise their future prospects if found in their records. Having more money also makes it easier to cover up their illness. This hush-hush approach could account for at least some of the difference.

«Social media receives some of the blame.»

Certainly: life in an artificial environment is unhealthy.
Fresh air and participation in real life with real people is always better.

George

You will not have seen much respect here tonight. There is a Leftist cabal here (just 3 people really) intent on cancelling everyone else with constant nagging and often abuse. Respect for the opinions of others is not in their purview. They are not the 'live and let live' sort. They are bullies, as you will find if you stick around.

CM,

I would like to give you the location of my source, but I have stopped giving out references because of the messenger shooting, sneering and abuse handed out by our 'friend'.

I now intend to get back to ignoring the ratbag and his provocation.

Yuyutsu

Not an unreasonable comment. If you are right, could it be that conservatives take more responsibility for themselves, and don't play the victim as much, if at all? Lots of lefties are convinced that they are victims, and other people are to blame for their problems. Everyone who does OK is 'privileged'?

Dear Ttbn,

«could it be that conservatives take more responsibility for themselves, and don't play the victim as much, if at all?»

I am not sure whether a depressed conservative takes more responsibility for themselves, because had they taken responsibility of themselves then why would they be depressed in the first place?
But what is more likely is that their family takes more care of them, rather than government.

«Lots of lefties are convinced that they are victims, and other people are to blame for their problems»

I think that anyone who is depressed, whatever be their political leanings, tends to make the mistake of blaming others and considering themselves as victims. What is different, I think, is that conservatives are likely to be more bound by their families and therefore not talk about it.

«Everyone who does OK is 'privileged'?»

Yes, I would say that everyone who does OK is privileged and should humbly thank God for that.
To do OK, one needs the privileges of wisdom and a relatively pure and stable mind, and these are achieved as the merit gained by lifetimes of conscious effort.

It is in error to think that one is born into a wealthy family "by chance" (and vice-versa) - Shri Krishna explains:

"The unsuccessful yogis, upon death, go to the abodes of the virtuous. After dwelling there for many ages, they are again reborn in the earth plane, into a family of pious and prosperous people." [Bhagavad Gita 6:41]

Yuyutsu said:
"I think that people from conservative families are less likely to report any illness, how less so a mental illness, which could prove a shameful stain on their family and could also jeopardise their future prospects if found in their records. Having more money also makes it easier to cover up their illness. This hush-hush approach could account for at least some of the difference."

Perhaps conservative folk are more able to deal with so called mental issues?

Being able to get over adversity (mental or other) and not crying "help" used to be considered a virtue.

Generally I agree with TTBN's comments and quotes, it appears that lefties are way more likely to cry "mental health issues made me do it"

Cheers
Ross

Dear Ross,

«Being able to get over adversity (mental or other) and not crying "help" used to be considered a virtue.»

Virtue is not a fashion - what was virtue then is still virtue now.

Forgiveness and fortitude are virtues.

If one truly forgives and has fortitude in adversity, then that is great indeed.

But if one smolders and whimpers within but out of pride or fear keeps silent, avoids asking for help from anyone and instead pretends to be magnanimous, perhaps in order to avoid being criticised and shamed by their own family, perhaps holding it all within until they get a heart attack, then that is not virtuous, that is just sad.

ttbn,

Settle down old cock.

I've said nothing in the above 3 posts that should get you to fly off with your usual vitriol towards me. Your name calling, and abuse of me and others, who disagree with your extreme right wing views on everything is well known on this forum.

There are reasons why people are more likely to suffer mental disorders in their early life. That's for a number of reasons, a lack of certainty is a contributing factor, as people grow older they generally become more stable in their relationships and most find direction which gives them a higher degree of confidence about the future. This has nothing to do with being leftists or conservative, that's ttbn talk.

Well…Jordan Peterson reasons thus:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OW_zpi2hmI4#dialog

Using his logic, those susceptible to calamity arising from mental illness are those least able to cope with multiple calamitous life events.

To make the argument which will dissect society into left and right on the issue, needs to address the demographics in terms of available resources to whichever grouping, in order to address the multiple calamities impacting on coping mechanisms.

Yuyutsu

Depression is a complicated disease. Just taking responsibility for yourselves is no cure. But, being stoic and getting on with things is a conservative thing, beyond the ability of the dependent Left. The Left expects governments to look after them. One example on the news last night from a reporter bleating about the 'hottest summer ever' scare-mongering. "We won't be protected", she said. How about protecting ourselves, with the faculties that we have been given!

But, as you have revealed yourself as a believer that doing OK is down to privilege, you are not going to take any notice of what I say.

Ross,

Good for you. The more 'help' we get from the government, the more control it has over us.

DD

Life is complicated. Politics cannot help. Sometimes withdrawal is the only solace. We have to avoid the Paul 1405s, the Foxys, the SteeleReduxes, and other nasties who try to put us down and cancel us out with their blather. They are sickos. It makes no sense to waste our mental energy on them. We should stick to our own kind.

It's time for the Benedict Option; and you don't need a monastery for it.

In days of yore (you know, 20 or 30 years ago) some people were unhappy with themselves, their lives or their choices. When you're unhappy, the solution is largely in your hands and its primarily up to you to fix it. But that's not easy.

These days, people who used to be unhappy are now depressed. Ah, but depression is a medical issue, so the solution is no longer in your hands. Its now up to the medical community to 'fix' you. You can sit back, wallow in your depression and whine that others aren't fixing it for you.

Unhappiness became medicalised.

That, and that alone, is why depression is now so prevalent

Could it be that there are more cases of depression because more doctors have added it to the trendy things they diagnose & issue prescriptions for pills to cure.

I have recently had a cancer partially removed from my bladder. They got all they could. When the pathology came back to my doctor he immediately told me the procedure for assisted euthanasia, so I guess the prognosis is not great.

He then told me he could give me medication for depression when required. I guess that would get me on the mental heath list. As I said to him, why the hell would I be depressed? The only thing left on my bucket list is my 21St birthday party come 29Th Feb next year.

I've raised 3 great successful kids, bread & competed on horses with them. I have flown off aircraft carriers, raced a Formula 1 Brabham Repco, introduced thousands to the Great Barrier Reef, & sailed the South Pacific, an area I have been fascinated by since I read Michener's Tales of the South Pacific.

I wouldn't mind renting a yacht & taking the kids for a sail around the Whitsundays, 2 of them were born there, & I could show them the things the tourists never see, but that is not a bucket list wish.

My only complaint is no one will give me an estimate of how long I've got, but I guess I'll live till I die, just like the rest of us.

Note a mate has given me the name of a dog wormer supposed to be as good with cancer as Ivermectin has been proven to be with Covid. I'll think on that.

Hasy,

Although we may be seen as "political enemies" on this little forum, I genuinely wish you well in life's future journey. From your tales of adventure its certainly hasbeen an interesting one. Good luck old cock with whatever comes your way!

One of the most disturbing cohorts to suffer abnormally from mental illness in my lifetime, has been those Australians who fought in the Vietnam War. Reports detailing shocking cases of not only mental issues and substance abuse, but also very high instances of suicide among veterans of that war. The impact of war on participants remained a secret for years, an unrecognised issue in the community and with government. I would suspect many Australians who participated in other wars suffered like those men in Vietnam.

Jacqui Lambie has been a strong advocate for the recognition of the impact of war has had on many ex-military personnel.

"Lambie, who has for years pushed for an inquiry into the defence force, detailed a lengthy battle with the Department of Veterans’ Affairs for compensation for mental and physical health issues." SMH.

Dear Ttbn,

«Depression is a complicated disease. Just taking responsibility for yourselves is no cure.»

Not the cure - it is the prevention.

«But, as you have revealed yourself as a believer that doing OK is down to privilege, you are not going to take any notice of what I say.»

I do take notice and even agree - that we protect ourselves with the faculties that we have been given.

That is elementary, but how did we get these faculties?

To protect ourselves and do OK we need a sound, pure and stable mind and a clear intellect, we need knowledge, we need wisdom - these are God's gifts and having them is a privilege.

---

Dear Mhaze,

«Unhappiness became medicalised.»

So true. The government-backed medical guild is grabbing more and more control over our lives.

«That, and that alone, is why depression is now so prevalent»

That was my question: is unhappiness really more prevalent, or is it just more confessed?

How do you know they weren't Far Right youth suffering depression?
Paul1405,
Easy to explain. Conservative parents bring up their kids with enough common sense to enable them to wash leftist indoctrination off like water off a duck's back !
Leftist parents do nothing except look for blame in people who (still) keep the show running including feeding the likes of yourself !

Hasbeen,

My best wishes to you, mate. All good things come to an end, and you seem to have had a good, interesting and useful life. I'm sure a tough old bastard like you will keep going as long as humanly possible, plus a bit more.

To Hasbeen

I think the fuss of the medical fraternity to save people from death is the biggest part of their propaganda machine.

Here’s Carl Jung on death., with all respect, I’d recommend it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95fh1HtkxPI

As a ten year old child I died twice from the same incident , and returned.

The peace of death is beyond description, the return to life a shocking disappointment.
There is no shock dying, but there sure is a shock should you come back from death, it’s definitely intended by nature as a one way journey.

Jung emphasizes the human need to live on regardless as you face off to the inevitable; it seems you’re on the right path with that.

Thanks fellers. I agree with the old joke that at the end you should not arrive at the pearly gates in a limousine, beautifully attired & groomed & wish St Peter a good morning, but should arrive in a clapped out bomb on it's very last legs, in totally worn out clothes, clean but nor exactly groomed & say Hi Peter, wow that was a hell of a ride. What have you got for me?

I have no complaints. This old body has served me well. It has done well all the things I needed it to do well, & got me by on the things it wasn't so good at. Provided it gets me to that 21St birthday party, I'll have no complaints.

I feel depression is something you allow yourself to feel. I had an electrical short tripping out the safety switch on the house system the other day. It took me over 2 hours to track it down to the submersible pump on one of the grey water pump out systems. It is only 9 months old & a good brand, so I did not expect it to be at fault. Was I disappointed or depressed that I was so slow? No, just happy I can still run the place, if at a slower work rate.

I'm observing on an almost daily basis how young parents since the 80's are unwittingly bringing up their kids to fail. One not so young mother of a five year old kisses & cuddles the young bloke when he feels all insulted when someone tells him not to do something that could hurt him. He has been conditioned to feel insulted rather than warned & made aware of something that is risky or bad etc.
He can not fathom the difference between being told off & being saved from injury.
Kids are encouraged in schools to get upset when another kid beats them in sport or basic education rather than being encouraged to put more effort into understand why they're expected to learn.

Right, Indyvidual. The parents who are supposed to be teaching children about life and its trials and tribulations are not doing it anymore; they have outsourced that to young teachers, many of them childless because of 'climate change'.

I see that kids are now going to be taught aboriginal "values". I'll bet there will be no mention of domestic violence, pay back, thigh spearing stopping people from hunting in a hunter-gatherer society, sexual abuse of young girls by old men, constant fighting, often followed by canabilism, humbugging still popular today.

Great values!

In days of yore (you know, 20 or 30 years ago) some people were unhappy with themselves, their lives or their choices. When you're unhappy, the solution is largely in your hands and its primarily up to you to fix it. But that's not easy.

These days, people who used to be unhappy are now depressed. Ah, but depression is a medical issue, so the solution is no longer in your hands. Its now up to the medical community to 'fix' you. You can sit back, wallow in your depression and whine that others aren't fixing it for you.

Unhappiness became medicalised.

That, and that alone, is why depression is now so prevalent
Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 12:01:47 PM

Answer- According to Adam Curtis in Century Of The Self- Hebrew Founder Of Psycho-Analysis Sigmund Freud was influential in the rise of the depression industry in Austria and his US nephew Edward Bernays brought Freud's books and ideas to America in the 1930's. It could be said to be the start of the rise of the "psychology revolution" in western culture and Bernays also created a second "consumer culture revolution" and imported many psychologists from Austria.

Many European psychologists many of Hebrew cultural identity such as Ernest Dichter (father of the product "focus group"), Herbert Marcuse (father of the new left), Anna Freud became significant identities within the American psychological establishment. The psychology revolution seems to have been instrumental in the rise of MK Ultra projects and it's university complicity.

In a sense it could be said that The Freudian's consumerised depression. They became the psychological confessional priests of the new age. Some have said that every empire has it's priesthood.

Hasbeen- for whatever time we all have left I've enjoyed our time with you. One day at a time.

A Forum first. the Kudos Kid managed to type a whole lot of gobbledygook and NOT mention the Communists once! If you really want to be depressed just read the hundreds of inane posts about the Communists put up by the Kudos Kid. BTW Kid I notice most of your posts are late at night Australian EST, but morning time in Alabama. I thought you must be one of those "Good Ole' Boys" from the Deep South USA. Is your name "Marmaduke" by any chance.

Can't you enlightened minds get off the Left and Right for a change?
If it's wrong it's left, Puleeze give us a break!
Does everything have to have Communists under the bed?
Are you that desperate in having to label outcomes as being them or us?
If someone submits a thought from outside Australia does that mean they're unentitled.
So this forum is for the Ubeaut intellectual advanced thinking Ostraylians.
A thought is a thought no matter who presents it from where.
Ignore it if you want but don't trash, it 'cos it doesn't lift your status

Special Delivery

Do you have an actual opinion on the subject?
Left/right. Communists under beds.
Thoughts from outside Australia. Are you from another planet or something?

What a silly rant. Nothing special about your delivery

If it's wrong it's left, Puleeze give us a break!
Special Delivery,
Have you got evidence to the contrary ?

ttbn & Indyvidual

flatulence becomes U both
Your myopic vision in being able to see as you choose is not only outstanding but a lesson to us all as to the perils of childish stupidity.
To have come so far and represent nothing of any consequence to social behaviour is a feat in itself.

represent nothing of any consequence
Special Delivery,
You can't even provide an example for your own claims. Now there's flatulence !

Indyvidual

This idiot comes and goes. Turns up, with a chip on his shoulder, this time talking about farting. He probably loses a bit more intelligence every time he farts, given that he talks, farts and thinks with his backside.

ttbn,
Tragically, the largely Left orientated education circus has produced armies of SD's calibre & in my opinion only the reintroduction of common sense & merit via a National Service or Gap Year can slow this moronising !

It should be noted these feeling are reduced with age
Paul1405,
Says who ? Do these reports address the actual causes of stress ? No, because if they were to look into this they'd find that it is the Leftist idiocy that is the culprit.
Stupid things like one can't tell a kid that they came last in a contest or suggesting to train harder etc etc. Saturation blabbering about entitlements but nothing about responsibility.
Children being encouraged to claim to be of an opposite gender to what they are & plenty other such idiocy coming from modern "adults" !
The Left 'adults" sure have done already more damage than previous generations by simply being idiots of a calibre never seen before ! In Australia this stupidity started with Goaf's assembly of inadequate bureaudroids !

Indy,

Why don't YOU tell us why you didn't do NATIONAL SERVICE whey you had the opportunity to do so? YOU bang on constantly about young people should be press ganged in a National Service outfit but never did it yourself. Rather hypocritical!

BTW, would you support a Seniors National Service, where those eligible/capable were required to make an effort to earn their aged welfare? How many hours a week can you work for that taxpayer funded handout?

why you didn't do NATIONAL SERVICE whey you had the opportunity to do so?
Paul1405,
When I was the right age I wasn't eligible besides, young Australians then weren't as useless as they've become since thanks to leftist idiocy !
Everyone I knew then had a job as an apprentice & only the likes of you didn't. They were known as Dole Bludgers and, because they voted for the Goaf many then got taken into the Public Service under Keatinge & Hawke to some extend & we all know the rest ! They became the parents of the teachers whose children have become influencers & indoctrinators of recent.
The sad show is still snow-balling !

Indyvidual- Yes national service does seem to help young people perhaps all people to see the world in a different way- giving hope to the hopeless- and motivation to the purposeless. Both individual attributes and team skills facilitate effective teams- they are more experienced than learned. The military is a great source of effective and scalable teams- they invest a great deal in training- but training doesn't need to be an expensive cost sink.

Maybe we should be training our own people rather than everyone.

Indyvidual- It appears that "SD" sees himself as a moderate- everyone sees themselves as a moderate at a certain stage of their development. We know he's wrong but SD needs to work that out for himself. Maybe present certain concepts in order that he starts to see...
1. Overton's Window
2. Not labelling something doesn't mean you are moderate it just means that you are unable to classify modes of thinking into archetypes- as Jung tried to do. Often you need to look at many perspectives Communist/ Capitalist/ Traditional/etc and seeing the paradoxes between these different views in order to form a more consolidated perspective. Not just deny that these perspectives don't exist.
3. etc- I'm sure there are many reason's not to be a moderate

When I was doing National Service I had to have a knee reconstruct and as I lay there in a Brisbane hospital I saw a multitude of servicemen, looking totally bewildered, having come back from Vietnam to have their bodies patched up.
The public didn't recognise their services because the public knew they shouldn't have been there in the first place.
But the public voted for the govt that sent them there.
I don't like those who prance about practicing Jingoism, thinking Australians can do no wrong and attempt to justify their behaviour and actions with any manner of codswallop.
We haven't progressed from those days, we still follow along those advising (telling) us how to wipe our backsides.
Moderate? what on earth is that?
I tell it the way I see it and I still see the same attitude as was present 50 years ago.
Oh sure, society has become politically correct so as to cast a veil over our true selves but the nature never changes, just the titles and names.
We don't back the underdog as was often claimed, we back the perceived winner and when the winner is the other side it's because we were short changed.
No one likes a liar, one who deceives and misrepresents the truth and its no wonder depression is on the rise.
No one knows what to believe any more, which in turn produces more confused individuals.
You want a productive society?
Stop the deceit.

Indy,

Don't give me that, you were eligible to joint the Australian Army between the ages of 17 and 35, back in your day any physically fit meat head like yourself could join up, what, you didn't try once in 18 years? Fair dinkum, I'm not talking about national service, but volunteering! YOU were a shirker! Now in your decrepit years of life, YOU still want others to do the fighting for you! YOU are not a patriot, Un-Australian, a fifth-columnist, no doubt one of the Kudos Kid's COMMUNISTS!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

The Overton Window seems to be used by Communists to pull the acceptable dialogue to the "Left" in order to manipulate the electorate. This enables the shutting down of important issues such as immigration. One way to address this distortion of the market of ideas is to name it and compare it to communism.

Moderate? The articles below may provide some hints- probably also distorted- but hopefully it might help moderates. It's like the stock market in a sense there is a difference between the percieved price and a price based on fundamentals. So what are the political fundamentals?

Some talk Left/ Right, some a two dimensional spectrum (Political Compass), others multi-dimensional space. All of these are an attempt to define politics. Trying to compress a multi-dimensional problem into a one-dimensional Left-Right space you lose and distort the information. Another way to look at politics is through it's historical development. Another way is mapping based on particular beliefs. Many have said that communism essentially originated with the French "Terror" Revolution- this is also where the Left-Right concept appears to have originated. One unfortunate thing about the one-dimensional model is that it maps traditionalism as far-right rather than a different dimension. As they say in the Army the map is not the terrain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum
This article is a fair attempt at presenting the concepts of simple vs complex dimensional models of politics. But no one really knows what is the best model and all of them probably distort politics to a degree. But I have to think a multi-dimensional model maps the data better.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/05/moderates-who-are-they-and-what-do-they-want/370904/
"It often seems there’s no center in American politics anymore. Increasingly polarized camps on the right and left hold diametrically opposed, irreconcilable views on seemingly every issue.
And yet more than a third of American voters call themselves neither liberal or conservative but moderate, indicating a substantial chunk of dissenters from the left-right paradigm. Are they just confused? Are they closet ideologues with strongly partisan opinions but a distaste for labels? Are they politically disconnected? What, in short, is their deal?"

http://theconversation.com/what-is-a-moderate-politician-four-key-tests-122079
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_moderate
http://www.newstatesman.com/ideas/2020/10/rise-traditionalists-how-mystical-doctrine-reshaping-right

One problem with moderates is that they seem to start with the Overton Window even if they don't know it- and the Overton Window is already a corrupted view of the theoretical political space in a number of ways. They seem to believe that the truth is somewhere in the middle. Moderates won't put themselves in the middle they'll put themselves where the balance of the noise is- and some are noisier than others. There is an economic principle "The Efficient Market Hypothesis" that says that agents within the economy will act in the interest of themselves to maximize their economic benefit- it doesn't work- and it doesn't in politics either- probably because people usually follow what other people do without considering their own circumstances. What probably works better is understanding the basic principles of the domain of knowledge and testing your understanding and predictive ability by experiment.

Sadly many people don't get what they want in finances and politics because because they don't understand what they want. They don't understand the principles of the subject matter. They don't match their strategy to their understanding. They don't do a debrief after the event. They don't engage in positive feedback. They haven't quantified their goals. etc.

In a sense people often become resigned, depressed and nihilistic- not like our grandparents who took responsibility for their own circumstances and invested in every day improvements everyday.

True it isn't easy when the government is the enemy. The people need to govern themselves.

“ True it isn't easy when the government is the enemy. The people need to govern themselves”. CM.

That personal freedom would be exampled on the Australian Aboriginal firm cultural attachments to deification of nature, with its timeless cyclical beliefs.
They had really little to worry about given that level of trust.
There is good reason for loss of direction and high suicide rates in that group which Western conquest stripped them of.

I think a more interesting analysis of suicide rates and its reasons, should include that particular fact of native cultures pre Western history which at roughly four thousand years is by comparison, in its infancy.

My belief on this subject does not include the comparison in suicide death rates carved up between left and right adherents.
There are much deeper meanings behind the apparent malaise of despair among youth than left and right of politics.

Despair seems to be related to a loss of purpose and meaning. When the children don't feel safe and parents can't provide them with a sense of purpose and meaning to transcend the difficulties of adolescence. In a sense the woke/ communist/ counter culture crisis in western culture has an impact on western children. Parochial church communities provide a buffer culture to mitigate against childhood depression- missing in liberal democracy.

CM.

I don’t see evidence of rainbow flags fluttering over China, Russia and especially North Korea.

The cult of equality under the rainbow flag needs a more detailed explanation than blaming the Communists don’t you think: Or extending the argument to include blam on Left V Right political ideology. It seems to my way of thinking, an absurd argument.

There are many and varied reasons for suicide, three stand out.

One is excommunication of youth from any political involvement under the current excuse for Democracy.

Two, the economic exclusion from the Capitalist system of Government we are erroneously led to believe is a tandem fixture of Democracy ( sic).

And three, a spiritual malaise resulting from the abandonment of cultural religion such as Christianity and Judaism, with a replacement of empty Secularism. I have views on the spiritual usefulness or not of both those in offering the ability to help on any grand scale too.

CM.

1. I don’t see evidence of rainbow flags fluttering over China, Russia and especially North Korea.

2. The cult of equality under the rainbow flag needs a more detailed explanation than blaming the Communists don’t you think: Or extending the argument to include blam on Left V Right political ideology. It seems to my way of thinking, an absurd argument.

3. There are many and varied reasons for suicide, three stand out.

3(a). One is excommunication of youth from any political involvement under the current excuse for Democracy.

3(b). Two, the economic exclusion from the Capitalist system of Government we are erroneously led to believe is a tandem fixture of Democracy ( sic).

3(c). And three, a spiritual malaise resulting from the abandonment of cultural religion such as Christianity and Judaism, with a replacement of empty Secularism. I have views on the spiritual usefulness or not of both those in offering the ability to help on any grand scale too.
Posted by diver dan, Monday, 2 October 2023 7:58:58 PM

Answer 1- Communist Insurgency from memory according to Frank Kitson has several stages. China is in the fourth stage whereas communism in the west is at the second or third stages. See "Low Intensity Operations".
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Answer 2- It's not a real equality but communism often tips it's hat to the concept of equality- embodied in various concepts including- "from those with the ability to those with the need", "cultural elitism", "false consciousness", "secularism" (including banning of religion). In the case of gay politics it equates "possibility with probability" a common fallacy. For example if there are people with red, brown, blond, black the probability of having red hair is 25% yes?- NO! A democracy is based on the principle that everybody gets one vote- when "possibility is probability" certain groups are deigned as entitled to more than one vote (by who?? agenda power!).
http://simplicable.com/society/agenda-setting
But equality is a red herring because people are different. Hebrew author Ayn Rand says unequal capitalist productivity potentially benefits everyone- as it lowers prices. The industrial revolution seems to bare this out.

Answer 3(a)- Probably true in a sense that the youth feel powerless over their own future and governance- but so do adults. Suicide is an end point of despair. As I understand the issue with adolescents is that they don't know how to deal with their feelings- suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem- but children don't understand that it is a temporary problem- they see a deep dark hole and they can't escape.
Answer 3(b)- Yes this was an innovation that "Edward Bernays" Hebrew founder of consumer culture and nephew of Sigmund Freud brought to America at the "1937 World Fair".
http://collections.library.yale.edu/catalog/11915254?child_oid=11977466
Answer 3(c)- Communism is explicitly secular but I'd have to find the reference. I believe that Christianity is embodied differently than Judaism even though they have a common root. I suspect the original Christian's were middle eastern people rather than European's but some believe that Early Christianity was given a particularly European character that made it very different from Judaism. German philosopher Nietzsche talked about the Knightly (Aristocratic) vs the Priestly (Slave) Code- I suspect that the Knightly Code is linked with the Protestant Ethic. Hebrew fiction author Isaac Asimov talks of stages of civilization in his theory of Psycho-History. I believe that the loss of Christianity and self determination of western people is coincident with the rise of communism, globalism, multiculturalism, etc in the west and has gone through various stages.

CM

I’m interested in addressing these issues in some depth. The lead in to this topic carries quite some bias explaining his view on outcomes; that needs addressing, and I wish to address some of these further in a day or so. I’m being scorched for time right now, but I read your responses with interest. Plenty of meat in them!

you were eligible to joint the Australian Army between the ages of 17 and 35,
Paul1405,
re your dribble above, show me one (1) Nation that has non-citizens in their Defence Force !

Indy,

So you are an alien, still, or were you and Australian citizen before the age of 35. Well, at what age did you arrive? All question you will avoid as you probably dodged citizenship so you wouldn't have to do national service.

"Thanks to their communist leaders, 70% of youngsters believe that they won't ever own property."

- And thanks to those same communist leaders they supported with unlimited immigration, they would be right.

CM.

Treating Communism as a left leaning ideology misses the point. Both Communism and Capitalism have both proved to be built upon the standard of greed and self interest.

(Notice here I don’t seperate Democracy from Capitalism since they are joined at the hip).

And not separating depression from the extended outcome of suicide, legitimises the argument using depression as the natural platform from which to launch suicide, is legitimate.

Suicide is not always related to depression though, often used historically to make a statement eg self immolation of Buddhist monks in Vietnam 1960’s, and Japanese Kamikaze pilots 1940’s to name a couple of exceptions.
But the authors specifically stated connection of depression with leftish leanings of youth is too loose when considering the radical nature of youth and its propensity towards radical action, left or right; also a term to be challenged, since China could not be described as politically left when it is modelling itself on right wing dictators, as with Russia.

Your links are taken as example of a Communist take over. But it’s hardly an illegitimate stand for them when faced with the similar threat of the push by Democracy radicals to act in the same vain.

I think youth is in crisis without a doubt, just to keep on track, but I fail to be convinced its origins are political. But I can admit, the outlet for this crisis is deflected towards radical politics as is usual.

Diver Dan- I see many of the "situations" in the Democrat Party as similar to Communism. So I agree that wokeism is just as bad as communism. For example apparently Hilary Clinton was mentored by Hebrew Trotskyite Saul Alinsky who wrote Rules For Radicals- seemingly a type of communist revolutionary handbook. In a sense the tools that communists use in the contemporary era are different than they used in the 1920's. For example you don't have to use the fear of guns to control people now- you can use the fear of surveillance and doxxing- but both are control by fear.

Mass culture seems to be related to universalism- both communism and free trade-ism are both universal philosophies but free traders are usually more pragmatic. How does 1. national free trade become 2. global free trade become 3. global tyranny? Ans- A lack of walls between traditional social structures. Hebrew founder of psychoanalysis lamented of the dangerous crowd- in contemporary times for example concert crowd surges are managed by grid chain link fences- but some people like the power of the surges.