Josephus,

Again with the communist mantra?

Dear oh dear. I'm starting to see what's influencing you
and it is sad.

Australia is one of the only commonwealth countries
without a treaty with its First Nations peoples.
New Zealand, Canada, the United States all have treaties.

However I can see that having a conversation with you is
impossible. Before I go I shall leave the following link
for you to read as an alternative to the Spectator:

http://abc.net.au/news/2023-09-23/white-supremacist-red-over-black-geoff-mcdonald-voice/102891560

Any aboriginal that is living in poverty is their choice, the same as anybody else. Those that have made a choice to be educated and move into society and work benefit the same as anybody, ask Warren Mundine or Bess Price.
Posted by Josephus, Monday, 2 October 2023 10:44:32 AM

You obviously have not done your research on
the extreme hardships that Indigenous people
have experienced and are still experiencing.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 2 October 2023 11:04:03 AM

Answer- Josephus is not denying that as Foxy says "Indigenous people are in extreme hardship"- but Josephus says that "living in poverty is their choice, the same as anybody else".

This raises a classical philosophical question- should we force people not to be in poverty.
To say no- means some people could starve- To say yes- means taking away their free will.

The Aboriginal situation in Australia seems in a sense to be similar to what occurs in "hunger strikes"

Foxy, I read your 40-year-old document, totally irrelevant to the proposal of the Voice of Thomas Mayo and Marcia Langton and Thea Reid communists who are currently behind the push for the Voice. Australia recognizes aboriginal land rights to those living on their land and practicing their culture. This is not about those claims, as 51% of the land mass of Australia has been granted in Land rights.

This agenda is diving Australia by race and families, by a mixed race of aboriginals elite attempting to rewrite their sovereignty over all Australia. It is the mixed aboriginal elite who seek power and self-government - a Blak sovereign Nation. A repayment for their loss of stolen land, of which 51% is already in their control.

If you believe aboriginals are equally Australian, then they cannot have rights not given to all Australians. It is a division of Citizens of Australia by race, which was voted out in 1967.

I think that 51% of the land is too much. Thanks for the information Josephus. Kudos.

Canem, I hear Redfern aboriginals when we receive payments, under pay the rent scheme we won't have to work and will have our own homes instead of living in Government provided housing.

How much land do Aboriginals own? As of 2020, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples’ rights and interests in land are formally recognized over around 40 per cent of Australia’s land mass. The recognition of Indigenous rights in land and waters is fundamental to the process of reconciliation.

In the NT 50% of the land and 85% of the coastline is under aboriginal control.
The Australia's Indigenous land and forest estate (2020) dataset shows that a total of:

134 million hectares of land in Australia (17%) is Indigenous owned
of this, 22 million hectares is forest
174 million hectares of land in Australia (22%) is under some form of Indigenous management, comprising 141 million hectares Indigenous managed and 33 million hectares Indigenous co-managed
of this, 29 million hectares is forest, comprising 18 million hectares Indigenous managed and 10 million hectares Indigenous co-managed
337 million hectares of land in Australia (44%) is subject to other special rights for Indigenous people
of this, 51 million hectares if forest.
RECENT ADDITION
http://www.oric.gov.au/publications/spotlight/australias-biggest-native-title-settlement-clears-final-hurdle
formal recognition in an act of parliament acknowledging the Noongar as traditional owners of Noongar lands in the south-west of Western Australia;
Handback of 320,000 hectares of cultural and development land to Noongar ownership and control and $46.8 million over ten years for environmental projects on that land;
joint management of the national parks and conservation estate on Noongar lands;
access rights for Noongar people to undertake customary activities on ‘Crown land’;
$600 million over 12 years through a ‘future fund’ trust for the use and benefit of Noongar;
$120 million over twelve years in operational funding and $6.5 million in capital funding for the establishment of the Noongar corporations;
121 houses and $10 million to develop and refurbish them; and
$5.3 million and up to 2 hectares of land for a Noongar cultural centre.