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The Forum > General Discussion > Labor's $60bn energy black hole.

Labor's $60bn energy black hole.

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Foxy,

You're right Labor's dismal record does speak for itself. Juliar achieved nothing she promised and Albozo looks like following suit.

Apparently, the AEMO and most energy professionals share my delusion.
Posted by shadowminister, Saturday, 2 September 2023 4:48:06 AM
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someone who needs to
acquire broader skills and let go of their
inflexible ideologies.
Foxy,
If you were to remove the rose-coloured blinkers that restrict your views you'd find that it is in fact you who has to seriously consider to do a review of your mentality !
Posted by Indyvidual, Saturday, 2 September 2023 6:57:54 AM
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We should note that this isn't a Lib/Lab issue. After all, Snowy 2.0 was originally championed by Turnbull and carried forth by his successor.` The Libs also happily bought into the whole net zero moronocity, only demurring over the timing and methods.

The Labs were of course always on board and were never going to be anything but climate warriors. Their problem is that ideology trumps pragmatism and they will continue to push these pipes dreams beyond reason. But they do believe it. They made the $275 promise sincerely believing that so-called clean energy would deliver economic savings and they'll need to be smacked around the head by reality quite a few more times before giving up that notion.

So the problem isn't party political. It's an issue of the ruling class not particularly caring about those they rule. At some point the folly of this whole project will become so obvious or so painful for the electorate that one or other party will break ranks. Alternatively a new group will arise and gain support for policies like all-of-the-above energy programmes and low immigration levels. Give it 5 years.
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 2 September 2023 8:20:35 AM
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I would like to see politicians support the policies
that are good for the country and its people no matter
who suggests them. I wish that good ideas were the main
consideration - not party loyalty.

But I feel that any change in this direction is going
to take time.

I was raised as a Liberal voter. I came from a family
of conservatives. It was only later in life that I began
to question things - and now it's actions and policies
that matter to me.

No political party is perfect - they all have made and
continue to make mistakes. However, to me, especially
judging by the recent behaviour - Labor represents the
party with a heart. The Liberal Party - the party with
a cash register.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 2 September 2023 9:40:29 AM
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Foxy,

Labor uses its heart, Liberals use their brains.

No one opposes all of Labor's policies only the really stupid ones that will hurt the country for decades such as the voice /veto and the renewables target.
Posted by shadowminister, Monday, 4 September 2023 5:30:14 AM
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To All but to Foxy in particular.
The target Bowen thinks is achievable is 22,000 solar panels a day
every day for eight years.
Also I think it was 40 wind turbines a month for eight years.
As I pointed out here previously no one in Canberra picked up a hand
calculator to work out how many panels can be loaded into a semi
trailer, and how many trucks would be needed to transport them to the
various sites every day and then double the number for the return
journey. No one stopped to think how many panels could be mounted
and then connected up and tested EVERY DAY ! How many men required.
They will have to be fed and housed. Then given days off.
Who will mount the panels on their days off, or will they just go
into the backlog !
Then we get to the mounting frames !
They have to be manufactured in a factory somewhere then sent to be
galvanised. Then picked up by another set of trucks, 10 frames to a
semi ? If five panels to a frame that is 2,200 truck trips a day
plus return 4,400 truck trips a day according to my calculator.
Then each frame has to me concreted into the ground, otherwise they
will take off in a strong wind. Done EVERY DAY for eight years.
Does anyone wonder why I say the bureaucrats and pollies in Canberra
are not just STUPID but really STUPID !
You pick up your calculator use your estimates and see what hope
the government has of getting it all done in time, let alone the money !

I have run installation jobs in the country for a very small team just
5 people including myself and it can be a nightmare.
It is impossible and the more delays that occur the worse it gets.
As each unacheived number has to be added to the uninstalled total.
Posted by Bezza, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 2:17:58 PM
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