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Labor's $60bn energy black hole.

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Dear Shadow Minister,

I'm finding your negativity a bit hard to take.

The current government has been anything but inactive.
Having the Bill passed in the House of Reps only 75
days after the election showed the support the
government had.

It brought together business, industry, unions, farmers,
community and conservative groups all of whom asked
Parliament to do something about emissions.

For close to a decade Australia has stumbled from
one policy to another. This time steps were going to be taken
and changes were going to be made. However, the government
has other priorities at the moment and it has a lot on its
plate.

We can see currently the huge difference between the
old Australia versus the future Australia. A good
example is the reactions to the Voice referendum of the
no campaigners who represent the old Australia.

The cumulative wealth and power of the rusted on no voters,
their prominence in media ownership and on corporate boards,
their conservatism and their unwillingness to commit to social
change should be juxtaposed with the growing, vibrant,
new nation. One that believes in social change and inclusion.

One in which Liberals such as Julie Bishop and Malcolm
Turnbull to name just a few, fully support. While dinosaurs
like John Howard, Tony Abbott, Peter Dutton and co. do not.

I can see in which group you place yourself.

History will not be kind to you and your mob.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 31 August 2023 3:52:47 PM
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Foxy,

I'm tired of your unrelenting negativity towards Dutton and your frequent claims of his bad behaviour which you clearly cannot support. Your uncritical and sycophantic support of the racist "voice" and Labor's dreadful energy policies puts in doubt your ability for critical reasoning.

The cost and dangers to the power network of closing down dispatchable coal and gas power supplies and replacing them with unreliable renewable supplies have been known for decades yet Labor races to the cliff with lies about reducing energy costs all while these costs are rapidly increasing and blackouts are becoming more and more likely.

For some positivity, Labor never disappoints me, I expect from Labor incompetence, substance-free virtue signalling, corruption and lies and they deliver in spades.
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 1 September 2023 6:49:32 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

Labor's record speaks for itself. As does that
of the Liberals. Especially recently.

It's available in history books and on the web.

You can continue to rationalise your support of
the lies currently being spouted. You think like so many
misguided people that lies are going to win
elections. You've obviously take it to heart as
has the Party you support and its unfortunate
current leader.

The Australian voters just may surprise you.
They certainly did at the last election.

I shall leave you to your delusions.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 1 September 2023 10:07:02 AM
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When the Snowy 2.0 scheme was announced with the appropriate hoopla, it was going to cost $2Billion and be operational by 2021.

It was announced yesterday that the revised estimates are $13 billion (!!) and a completion date of 2029. (anyone who believes either of those will be achieved should contact me about this bridge I have for sale).

Oh and it'll cost an additional $5billion to hook it up to the grid which somehow isn't considered part of the cost of the project. The reason for leaving it out of the official costings ought to be obvious.

And in an act of accounting gymnastics worthy of a gold medal, the government advises that, even though the costs went from $2 to $18 billion, its somehow still cost effective.

Meanwhile the Hunter Power Project at Kurri Kurri, (gas-fired power station) has increased in costs from $600million to $950 million, a 60% increase, which, compared to Snowy 2.0, is a mere rounding error.

All of these additional costs have to be, eventually, picked up by the electricity consumers. Explain to me again how costs are going to decrease!!

The ALP's promise of a decline in prices is already unachievable. One of two things will happen:

1. They'll wait for some unusual event (fire, flood, plague of locusts) as an excuse and withdraw the promise

2. They'll give massive subsidies to the producers and/or the consumers to artificially reduce costs and hope that the clueless will somehow buy that this is indeed a cost reduction.
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 1 September 2023 4:40:21 PM
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This post is a great example of someone who needs to
acquire broader skills and let go of their
inflexible ideologies.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 1 September 2023 4:56:10 PM
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Where is Max Green spouting all his low cost renewable energy storage nonsense now? And I shudder to think of the cost overruns, under-performance and environmental harm resulting from the redoubtable Andy B's seawater charged closed loop pumped hydro. Anyone who has spent a little time comparing prospectuses with actual costs would not find this renewable energy fiasco at all surprising.

Cheap energy is the key to economic prosperity. The renewable energy cult will make Australia destitute.
Posted by Fester, Friday, 1 September 2023 10:03:19 PM
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