Wobbles said,"My comment about global warming was entirely relevant because there are people on both sides alleging that the other side is involved in some sort of conspiracy. Surely they can't both be right can they?. Look at arguments from both sides and make up your own mind."

You see Wobbles, the global warming debate does NOT revolve around a conspiracy. The debate concerns conflicting opinions many of which are scientifically based. The interpretation of the evidence is controversial. BUT, there is no conspiracy to do with the mainstream debate. There may be in some peoples' eyes such as yourself but not to the majority. There is no similarity whatsoever between the debate on global warming and 911 that you claim. The point you make concerning this is a red herring.

Then you say "who cares" when I ask you what do you think happened. Are you saying then that you believe there is a conspiracy but don't know any details, any reasons why anyone or any group would have perpetrated this conspiracy? You don't know anything that supports your argument?? You just find it impossible to believe / comprehend what happened. Wobbles, it happened. It was a terrorist attack. Accept it. There is no conspiracy, no Jewish plot, no CIA, FBI coverup. If not, then give me some evidence, not just your opinion based on nothing other than your inability to comprehend.

My understanding of the truth about all of the conspiracy theories, as a committed christian of many years, is that the devil made them do it. If you believe in the great spirit war on earth between God and the fallen arch angel Lucifer/satan, as hundreds of millions of christians do, its quite easy to understand whats been going on. Satan is the real source of all of the conspiracy theories; and it is being done, pay attention, by the fallen spirit realm in order to destabilise peoples faith in good governments and committed intelligence agencies. Like the increase in dark music, what a massive backsliding since the early 1950's, its all a part of the demonic teardown of modern society. All in all, the overall fruits of the demonic work are fear, suspicion, doubt and a wondering away from the Holy Bible a good solid values. This is what we are seeing. I know a good lady who really believes that bombs were planted in the twin towers by the CIA and when the planes hit the bombs went off as well. The CIA plan being to start a war with Iraq and grab the oil. Even good people can get wrapped up in conspiracy theory if they dont understand the spirit conflict and how it works. Ephesians 6:12-18 speaks about the dark powers above the earth who manipulate men.

Of come on! Admit it. It was the Easter Bunny. Enough of the nonsense.

Ditch,
In case you hadn't noticed, there are already a lot of facts out there that support both sides of the argument and many of these are also scientifically based.
It's the facts that don't fit the official account that are the problem for me, like named suicide pilots turning up alive elsewhere.
Even growing public opinion in the USA suggests that there is doubt over the official account.

For the record, I accept that global warming is an evidential fact and the arguments against it seem flawed and many come from vested interests.
However, the only proof I have that it exists is what I have seen and heard but I accept it to be true because it just makes sense, unlike the 911 commission report or the Warren commission report into the JFK asassination.

Also, the last time I looked, this site was actually called on-line opinion.

You are free to express your opinion Wobbles. Just don't expect me to not exercise the same freedom.

You say "public opinion in the US" is increasing it's doubt over the findings. Well I wonder why and if in fact this is the case. What are the figures? It's a very vague statement to make in support of your case. And a dead pilot turning up somehwere? You'll have to do better than that if you are to convince me of anything.

Atleast you haven't claimed it all started with rock n' roll and the work of the devil.

Wobbles,

You are in great company. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols also thought that the US gov’t was involved in a huge conspiracy. If it’s Americans like this you are relying on to prove widespread support for your pseudo science based fantasies your chances of convincing any NORMAL person are miniscule.

Who are the named suicide pilots who are still alive?

In 2001 the BBC and the Saudis claimed that four of the hijackers were alive and well Waleed al-Shehri, Abdulaziz Al Omari, Saeed Alghamdi, and Khalid al-Midhar were all initially alleged to be alive. Both the Saudis and the BBC have since retracted their claims because they were WRONG. In is now widely accepted that these men WERE on the 9/11 flights. So who is this mystery man?

I challenge you to provide any inconsistencies in the 9/11 commission report.

The Timeline

8:19: Betty Ong, flight attendant on Flight 11 alerts American Airlines via airphone

8:46:40: Flight 11 crashes at roughly 490 mph (790 km/h or 425 knots) into the north face

8:52: A flight attendant aboard Flight 175 calls a United office in SanFrancisco, reporting that the flight had been hijacked”

This is really the earliest anyone could say with any certainty that this was a coordinated attack

8:56: The transponder on Flight 77 is turned off and primary radar contact with the aircraft is lost

9:01: FAA's New York Center tells Air Traffic Control System Command in Virginia, "…. We need to get the military involved ... we have other aircraft that may have a similar situation going on here."

9:03:11: Flight 175 crashes at about 590 mph (950 km/h) into the south face of the South Tower of the World Trade Center

9:28: Hijackers storm the cockpit on Flight 93 and take over the flight.

9:37:46: Flight 77 crashes into the western side of the Pentagon and starts a violent fire

10:03:11: United Airlines Flight 93 is crashed by its hijackers.

In a little over an hour after enough information was available to suggest that a concerted attack was underway, all four planes had crashed.