As usual, Paul is hopelessly out of date. He gets a notion in his head that suits his prejudices and no amount of contrary data is ever gunna fix it.

It seems that anything Paul doesn't want to be true is a conspiracy theory. Of course, when those conspiracy theories turn out to be true, there's no chance Paul will learn from his error. Indeed there's no chance Paul will even realise his error.

Here's something else for Paul to ignore - the latest data shows that the US covid death rate has been heavily over-estimated. I've already shown Paul that the Chinese death rate has been heavily under-reported, which, as usual, Paul failed to understand.

Oh dear, the Trumpster is at it again, his evidence for mass Covid deaths in China. He produces an unsubstantiated "document" supposedly from a small Provence in China, unsigned, it could have been a fabrication, don't know. There is a reference in this "document" referring to cremations in the Provence for one quarter in 2023, as the "document" disappeared from view, it could have been an erroneous document placed on the internet by error or by a another party, with an axe to grind against China, heck it could have been posted by mhaze himself, we don't know. mhaze then in true Trumpster style, proceeds to extrapolate this cremation number over the entire Chinese population, over many years, he then concludes that these cremations must have been the result of Covid, millions of deaths all over China. Well other than for American toady's like yourself, I don't think your evidence would stand up with the real thinking persons.

mhaze, during Covid were you taking the advice of the Dangerous Doctor Donald, and swigging from the Pine-O_Clean bottle, whilst shining a bright light up your arse? If not, why not!

"The Chinese lab was doing research into the various corona viruses."

The contract to do the research in China was outsourced by Fauci and the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) in the US to EcoHealth Alliance, because the US had laws prohibiting gain of function research.

- And they're still doing the same thing.

http://www.ecohealthalliance.org/2023/05/collaborative-research-to-understand-the-risk-of-bat-coronavirus-spillover-emergence

They haven't learned anything, and the US protocol for reporting and quarantining staff after a breach is grossly inadequate anyway.

From memory, the whole mess is tied up with NIAID, EcoHealth Alliance, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation (largest WHO donar) and Wellcome Trust.
http://www.niaid.nih.gov/news-events/potential-and-challenges-mucosal-covid-19-vaccines

"NIAID partnered with the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovation, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, and the Wellcome Trust to develop the workshop."

"The out-break occurred in China."

Maybe, maybe not.

It sure didn't happen in the Wuhan wet market, and I was saying that since Day 1.

"But AC, please note, this isn't about China and their bastardry in regards to creating and disseminating the virus. This is about US scientific efforts to misled the public as to the origins of the virus and how those efforts morphed into censorship and cancellation of people trying to tell the truth."

You do realise that the only nation that had all 5 strains of COVID was the US, China only had 2 of the strains, what does that tell you?
Hint: Maybe it didn't actually originate from there, but was made to look like it?

- I don't know the truth.

As for misleading the public, yes there certainly was a lot of that.
A lot of people died from the virus, many had underlying issues and poor immune systems from age, and a lot of people suffered side effects and died from the vaccine, and many are still yet to suffer the effects of the vaccine which I'm told has shortened the lives of many. Many are still walking around by their lives will be cut short at some point as a result of the vaccines side effects.

I opposed the virus (didn't want to catch it when others said it was just the flu) I opposed the vaccine, but I was actually somewhat tolerant of the lockdowns as I thought it might prevent the spread and result in a reduction of unnecessary deaths.

But that said I live in QLD and our lockdowns were nothing like what southerners had to endure.
Many say those lockdowns had a huge impact and cost many lives as well.
And we won't even talk about the amount of people who were purged from their jobs from refusing to take the vaccine.

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- My tolerance btw for the lockdowns was only accepted with a level of animosity and blame towards the government, who I felt failed to have any sort of reasonable plan to quarantine the country from a foreign contaigon in the first place.

I'm not necessarily trying to defend the Chinese, but I would've closed the country to not just the Chinese entering the country but everyone as well a whole lot sooner and be damned what the Chinese or anyone had to say about it, (truth be told the virus came here from Europe and the US)
I'd given Aussies 2 weeks to come home and organised flights for them, but then the country would've been closed until further notice.
It was a necessary measure - if only to build up quarantine facilities offshore or away from cities and prepare the health system to cope with what might eventually come)

I'm just saying we really don't know where it started, and Scomo getting pushy with the Chinese resulted in billions in lost revenue through tariffs and lost exports.

"The contract to do the research in China was outsourced by Fauci and the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) in the US to EcoHealth Alliance, because the US had laws prohibiting gain of function research."

Yes. Exactly. The research was being done in China with the active encouragement and financial support of the US. At least that's how it seems. Whatismore, the US financial support for this was probably illegal under US law. This is the position of Rand Paul.

All of that provides the reason why Fauci et al would be anxious to discredit the lab leak theory. All of that will play out over time in the US and hopefully the truth on that will finally be resolved.

But the point at the moment is that the scientific community were saying one thing about the origins of the virus within their private circles and the exact opposite in public. Not only saying what they knew to be false in public, but actively seeking to censor those who were telling the truth to extent of even trying to destroy the careers of the truth-tellers.

That is the lesson that needs to taken from this.