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Double dissolution?

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Labor's spat with the Greens is blocking Albo's $10bn splurge on housing and Albo is threatening the Greens with a double dissolution election which will probably reduce their numbers.

However, given Labor's cost of living crisis and the collapse in support for the divisive "voice" this holds serious risks for Labor too.

"Having deliberately floated the threat of a double-dissolution election over the government’s stalled social housing policy, Anthony Albanese now owns the illusion. At this stage, few in Canberra are taking him seriously. All prime ministers covet a double-dissolution trigger in a political arms race.

But it is a politically risky manoeuvre to start throwing early election threats around. Which suggests it shouldn’t be so readily dismissed. In Albanese’s case, it would appear on the surface to signal an increasing rage at the Greens and their intransigence on the $10bn housing fund which the government wants to get off the books as cost-of-living issues start to bite."
Posted by shadowminister, Monday, 31 July 2023 3:26:35 AM
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Given Albanese's behaviour ever since he was 'elected' with less than a third of the primary vote, he is mad enough to give it a go. He's doubly mad to turn on his ally the Greens, but mad he is.

I say, bring it on. It would clear the air, and indicate whether or not Australian voters really want democracy, or if they prefer the Communism in a new coat under Albanese.

It can't be done until next year, and the referendum will be a good indicator of how it would go for him.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 31 July 2023 9:09:02 AM
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Its a threat that holds little fear for the Greens. In a DD election, the quotas required to elect a Senator are halved. Although its possible for minor parties to be overwhelmed in the hoopla of an election, its also possible they can increase, or at least hold, their vote as the two majors rip into each other.
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 31 July 2023 9:36:51 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

I don't think that the government wants a double
dissolution. They are determined to have the
Housing Fund legislation passed as it was an
election commitment. I believe the PM when he says
he doesn't want to play politics. But the Greens
seem to oppose the Bill and they are insisting on
a rent freeze for 2 years - which the government is
refusing.

What happens next - we'll have to wait and see who
blinks first. It would help though if the Opposition
instead of saying NO to everything ( aTony Abbott tactic)
would support the government on this Bill which would
help people.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 31 July 2023 10:39:16 AM
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For once I am in agreement with the Greens policy, although probably for an entirely different reason.

I believe public housing is totally immoral. It is wrong to take even more from those struggling to pay their mortgage having worked their backsides off to provide their own housing, to give those who have done little or nothing to attempt to supply their own. Albo will be increasing his tax take to fund all his crazy promises, particularly those to the least deserving in the community.

Perhaps some type of military camp housing would be the answer so we don't end up funding even members of parliament in public housing, once they get this tax payer hand out of nice homes on the cheap.

A Double dissolution, I doubt it would make much difference other than lengthen the time to the train wreck for which we are heading with the ridiculous immigration policies of both majors.
Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 31 July 2023 12:22:05 PM
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The typical old non thinking response from that Usual Suspect Hassy, "some type of military camp housing would be the answer". We are a wealthy developed country, with a moral obligation to provide for our citizens in need. Boot camps and tents are not the answer.

I'm not in agreement with the Greens in opposing the $10 billion Labor Future Fund. I certainly understand Greens concerns about renters, and social and affordable housing in general, but I don't think this is the way to achieve a better outcome, not with so much riding on it.
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 31 July 2023 4:46:08 PM
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Make the Law Law again & introduce National Service & there'll hardly be a homeless unemployed person found !
Posted by Indyvidual, Monday, 31 July 2023 6:04:39 PM
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Does anyone remember what happened to Peter Costello's Future Fund ?
Anyhow, it's outright insulting for bureaudroids to pollute the air waves with waffle of economic complexity & waffle by economic experts how the economy should work etc etc. If they know how it "should" work why the Hell don't they follow their own advise ?
Paying themselves hundreds of thousands of Dollars for doing literally nothing but waffle on whilst telling the rest of us how "tough" things are.
The deputy Leader of the Greens the other hit the nail on the head when she was asked if she felt guilty for holding up construction of Public housing by not agreeing with the Govt. when she said that nothing is being held up because the Govt is not actually building Public Housing before 2024 so, nothing is being held up at this stage.
Posted by Indyvidual, Tuesday, 1 August 2023 7:56:11 AM
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Indyvidual

The future fund would have been blown long ago. The future for politicians is only three years.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 1 August 2023 8:16:50 AM
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As for our future, it might be looking up, with 35.5% enrolments in non-government schools- more than Albanese got in votes - as parents are slowly but surely waking up to what the Communist teacher unions are doing to their kids.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 1 August 2023 8:25:46 AM
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"The future fund would have been blown long ago. "

http://www.futurefund.gov.au/
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 1 August 2023 8:45:23 AM
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Foxy,

Albo unprompted threatened a DD. The problem with this is that Albo has now wedged himself between the gangreens and the coalition. The gangreen proposal of a rent freeze would be political suicide for labor and the tax and spend Labor proposal is against liberal values and the coalition is happy to let labor swing in the breeze.

Labor's rationale is that the gangreens would likely lose some seats and might change their minds. However, a DD would more likely favour the libs as the Teals in former conservative seats have shown themselves to be greener than labor, and this would screw up any chance of getting the increasingly unpopular voice referendum up.

If Albo takes this policy to the senate and it loses, unless he calls the DD he will appear weak and impotent
Posted by shadowminister, Tuesday, 1 August 2023 2:39:56 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

It's so disheartening when politics is brought into
any attempt to achieve something for the good of
the nation, especially if its done by the opposing side,
so to speak.

I wish we had leaders of a higher calibre. But I guess
we're stuck with the ones we have and we just have to
put up with things.

I watched Question-Time in Parliament. It's so revealing
and so upsetting. Speakers aren't even allowed to finish
their comments.

Where do we get these people?
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 1 August 2023 2:49:09 PM
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Dud Dutton can't afford an election at the moment, not with his involvement with the criminal "Mozu" Bhojani very much in the spotlight.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 1 August 2023 6:20:40 PM
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"The future fund would have been blown long ago. "
mhaze,
Below is what it says on their site. I thought Peter Costello & the Howard Govt had that in place ?
Established in 2006 to strengthen the Commonwealth's long-term financial position
Posted by Indyvidual, Wednesday, 2 August 2023 7:27:19 AM
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Indyvidual,

You asked..."Does anyone remember what happened to Peter Costello's Future Fund ?"

I showed you what happened or, more precisely, what is happening.
Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 2 August 2023 9:13:51 AM
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Foxy,

Everything that Labor does has a political base as does every other party. While there is political consensus on some issues housing is not one of those issues. Given Labor's record on the school halls debacle, the coalition can't see any reason to let Labor piss away another $10bn building crappy housing. Labor needs the legislation to show that it "is doing something."

For the coalition seeing Labor being screwed over by the greens is just a bonus.
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 4 August 2023 1:49:44 PM
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SM,

You must be pleased with the trillion dollars of Noalition debt, left behind by the ScumO' government, with nothing to show for it. The self appointed gurus of finance were responsible for billions of lost dollars. Now its going to take the taxpayer more than half a century to pay for Noalition incompetence.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 4 August 2023 2:21:59 PM
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village idiot,

You mean the $trillion dollars of debt that labor/greens have racked up or the 2 senior greens convicted of paedophilia?
Posted by shadowminister, Saturday, 5 August 2023 5:40:43 PM
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SM,

People reading you posts must wonder about you, with your fixation with paedophiles and paedophilia, you seem to get off on it, mentioning it as often as you do. What a strange fellow you must be.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 5 August 2023 5:50:56 PM
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Village idiot,

Your party is the one obsessed with kiddie fiddlers, racists, etc the whole party is a bunch of LIARs and Frauds. You in particular are the worst liar.

A quote from a tycoon:

http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/andrew-forrest-says-the-greens-are-the-party-for-paedophiles-for-not-supporting-the-cashless-debit-card/news-story/ea91e95122fd8bd030c169b7680cce01
Posted by shadowminister, Sunday, 6 August 2023 5:06:12 AM
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