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The Forum > General Discussion > Do you need to be sophisticated? The Dark Emu debate continues.

Do you need to be sophisticated? The Dark Emu debate continues.

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Dear Steele,

A 10+ year old article critical of Bolt's integrity is a good start to a fact check, but there is a fair bit more to fact check in the story than the presenter, the accuracy of Dark Emu and the claimed heritage of the author being examples.

To be fair though Steele, you have probably made more effort fact checking the criticism as any supporter of Bruce's fantasy history of indigenous Australia, so well done you!

I think to believe that voting Yes in the referendum will resolve the problems of indigenous Australians requires a credulousness akin to believing the fantasies of Bruce along with his claims of indigenous ancestry.
Posted by Fester, Saturday, 5 August 2023 7:53:53 PM
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" An open mind leaves a chance for someone to drop a
worthwhile thought in it."

- Nice response.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 5 August 2023 9:50:10 PM
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Dear Fester,

«I used to be concerned about population until I realised that it was an issue of personal liberty.»

Well of course this is an issue of personal liberty - what else could it be?
Do you consider personal liberty a trivial matter?

When population is too high, as it has been in the last 2000 years, but especially the last 200, nobody can make a move without stepping on someone else's toe.

To remedy this, states are formed, restrictive laws are made and the higher the population gets, the more standardisation and regimentation is required, which eat away the very value and purpose of life.

Other than mere physical survival for its own sake, what's there to gain from having an unnaturally huge population, all practically living the same way and doing the same, who instead of living their own life, are addicted to entertainment where they passively watch each other (meanwhile robbing and polluting this planet)?

Those without bodies do not feel the passage of time, they don't even get bored, so why can't they wait patiently, without pushing, for their turn to obtain a human body with life-quality rather than mere quantity of useless years?

«the worlds population would not be growing were more women given access to contraception, which contrasts with your view of women being the cause.»

But I did agree and am happy for the contraceptives, it's just that "not growing" would not reduce human population back to reasonable levels, but only maintain population levels at today's unacceptable order of magnitude.

«I'd also alert you to the situation in China, where the population will decline markedly in the coming decades:»

The article says: "UN experts now see China’s population shrinking by 109 million by 2050."

That's nice, but is still well within the same order of magnitude of over a billion Chinese people alone.

Such temporary fluctuations due to economical pressures are normal, but then new sophisticated technologies emerge that make life a bit cheaper, a bit more economically bearable, and people forget everything and give in to their genetic pressure to procreate.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 6 August 2023 12:18:17 AM
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Paul,

Once again you personally are a LIAR and a FRAUD and what you falsely claimed I said is defamation.

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Posted by shadowminister, Sunday, 6 August 2023 5:09:53 AM
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Dear Yuyutsu,

That population is an issue of personal liberty ultimately means that it is an issue for individuals, not governments, which was why I included that link.

I don't share your pessimism, as the impression I get is of educated women realising that there are options for them in life beyond that of baby producing cattle. I note time and again that governments of educated populations with access to contraception can get very annoyed with the drop in fertility, Iran being an example.

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/article-743904

I am sure that the Iranian rulers wish that your theory about the genetic programming of women were true, but for Iran at least Yuyutsu, I believe that the "FU" factor is somewhat stronger currently.
Posted by Fester, Sunday, 6 August 2023 6:29:09 AM
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Dear Foxy,

"It IS right and fair that Aboriginal
and Torres Strait Islander People participate in decisions which
affect them."

Indeed it is, but it is not right or fair to give one group of people a democratic privilege over another. Doing so violates the principle of equality upon which modern democracy is founded and I would NEVER agree to such a thing.

I would vote "Yes" to remove the race powers from the constitution. It is high time they were done away with.
Posted by Fester, Sunday, 6 August 2023 6:51:49 AM
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