The Forum > General Discussion > Do you need to be sophisticated? The Dark Emu debate continues.
Do you need to be sophisticated? The Dark Emu debate continues.
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Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 5 August 2023 9:55:34 AM
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"Anything else being brought up - is irrelevant and
an attempt to muddy the waters." - That's just the line we get from those who introduced the policy. Part of me would like to vote yes, as I do support an end to all this animosity and would like to see indigenous have better lives. But the onus is on the government to provide all the details, and if they can't do that then I can't support it, refuse to even entertain it. The answer is an automatic 'No' until such a time as they can lay out full details. As well as that I don't support a 2 class system where one group of people enjoy more rights and privileges than others, which is a divisive plan by it's nature. The 'no' camp can say whatever the hell they want. It's up to the 'yes' camp to convince us to say yes to constitutional changes, and they haven't done that while they haven't figured out or don't wish to share full details of their plan. Maybe if the result is a 'no' vote, they will learn from it and be more forthcoming with the details on their next attempt. It's better that we get things right, rather than push this through on a whim. Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 5 August 2023 9:58:01 AM
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Maybe there should be an indigenous only referendum first to find out just exactly what the indigenous themselves want.
Step 1 - They tell us what they want, what is acceptable to end all the division. Step 2 - We negotiate from that starting point, see what we can do to accomodate it, then the whole country has a referendum. A lot of indigenous have no idea whatsoever about what this voice legislation is even about, they are just as clueless as the rest of us. Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 5 August 2023 10:02:59 AM
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Here's earlierst evidence of the boomerang in Australia
from the National Museum: http://nma.gov.au/defining-moments/resources/earliest-evidence-of-the-boomerang-in-australia Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 5 August 2023 10:03:58 AM
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There's a lot of deliberate misinformation being
put out which is unfortunate. However the facts don't change. A Constitutional Convention bringing together 250 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Leaders met at the front of Uluru in Central Australia in 2017, on the land of the Aboriginal people. The majority resolved to call for the establishment of the First Nations Voice. There's enough information available to answer all questions for those genuinely interested to find out. Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 5 August 2023 10:16:47 AM
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I thought we were discussing Dark Emu, which makes all subjects relevant to aboriginal culture discussable.
Aboriginal culture has morphed into Western culture in the cities, living in western houses, playing Western sports, musical instruments, and employed in western businesses. All these environments are managed by a Western Government. This should exclude any aboriginal who has adopted a western lifestyle from a separate Voice in the constution. Those that need a voice live in remote and isolated camps with no housing, education, or health services and live on their native lands and want to stay there with no government interference. http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/trio-hospitalised-after-violent-outbreak-on-groote-eylandt-nt-police-say/ar-AA1eLA3M?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ccb0c91eed4d4d7f9bc57f4943d054e4&ei=23 The culture the elite want you to believe is the morphed culture that has made them proud achievers in western culture, not the primitive culture of 65,000 years ago, which was violent, inhumane, and cannibalistic, their tools were for killing and injuring, or sticks for digging. They did not introduce any foods that were not naturally here. They had no written language, it took western translators to develop a written language. They now have parts of the bible in 250 written aboriginal languages using western alphabet characters. Posted by Josephus, Saturday, 5 August 2023 10:17:16 AM
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The Australian boomerangs are ones that return to you.
The other throwing sticks do not.
They are recognized as an Australian invention the world
over. A visit to our National Museums would clarify this
for anyone truly interested.