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National NAIDOC Week

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So Foxy is unsure the Voice will make a difference with this statement. "However, this will be a first to let them have a say on the laws and policies that affect them. It's worth a try -"

So we put something in the Constitution that is just to trial to make a difference. It is better to legislate a trial which can be managed by the Government, than placed permanently in the Constitution.

From the sound of her statement, it will be self-government by unelected elders over executive decisions. The Uluru statement is a war document to hobble the colonizers Government.
Posted by Josephus, Monday, 10 July 2023 5:02:54 PM
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Paul, SR

As there are no records prior to civilisation, everything is largely conjecture as you have pointed out. Therefore there is a complete lack of evidence for

The 60 000 continuous culture,
The extended life expectancy,
Intertribal warfare not existing.

In small pre-state communities, low-intensity warfare was a common and almost continuous state of affairs and suggesting that this did not affect aboriginal communities would infer that they are different from all other humans.

http://www.jstor.org/stable/3631615
Posted by shadowminister, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 4:14:22 AM
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SM,

"As there are no records prior to civilisation", that is not quite true, there are archaeological records that give evidence of human occupation of the continent for millennia. That exact length of time is undetermined, but there is creditable evidence of human occupation for 60,000 years from the Kimberly region of WA. You say; "complete lack of evidence (of).... The extended life expectancy, Intertribal warfare not existing." That's not true either, from skeletal remains, both age at death, and in some instances the cause of death can be determined. In the case of Aboriginals there are not large concentrations of mass graves that would indicate "massacres", just as there is not evidence of a high proportion meeting a violent end. There are many human remains found, aged 70 plus years, a high proportion of the total thus found, which lends weight to Aboriginals having a reasonable life expectancy. Certainly Aboriginal life expectancy dramatically declined with European occupation, small pox and guns tend to do that.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 6:16:07 AM
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Certainly Aboriginal life expectancy dramatically declined with European occupation, small pox and guns tend to do that.
Paul1405,
And, whose Health & Welfare system do you attribute the increase in the number of indigenous lately ?
Posted by Indyvidual, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 8:32:27 AM
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Indy,

Its people like you, who choose to be blind to the fact, Aboriginal Australians live on average 10 years less than the rest of us. Often dying from easily preventable diseases. I expect nothing less from a bloke who would share around a shameless photo of a poor intoxicated Aboriginal old man, and think its funny!
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 9:23:34 AM
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Paul1405,
So, After tens of thousands of years of healthy existence or so you et al are trying to tell us plus 200 years of modern medicine thrown in they still die younger ?
Our fault as per usual, nothing to do with being a different DNA ? Nothing to do with a different outlook to life ? All the self-proclaimed Indigenous with 99% Caucasian DNA can therefore look forward to a long existence ? Where's your perceived if not imagined problem of discrimination ?
You're simply exploiting sad & unfortunate facts dictated by DNA & blame them ALL on Europeans. It's a well known fact that European, Asians, Africans, American Indigenous & many in between have suffered discrimination, exploitation & generally much suffering at each others' hands & the Aborigines are no different as they too had tribal clashes hence the many "Warrior" legends & stories !
Civilisations for want of a better word come & go as they rise because of ability & fall due to having it too good for too long. Australia is no different !
Posted by Indyvidual, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 10:30:52 AM
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