Foxy
My start to life was a wee bit different to most being raised in an institution from a very early age. A ward of the state. I moved from one side of the country to the other and started work in Sydney at age fifteen. Did not know a soul. I effectively raised myself from that point on. Did all right. I studied hard, worked hard, travelled widely and ended up in senior management positions in my chosen profession. A land of opportunity is Oz. For interest, over the years I have visited Wadeye, The Tiwi islands, Warburton Mission and many other locations where indigenous numbers were high. No stranger to the problems that exist now and have been there for many years. I am none too sure that the Voice will achieve over much in the short term if ever. The solutions whatever they may be are going to take time, lifetimes, and will not be seen in our time. SD

Dear Shaggy Dog,

Thank You so much for sharing your story.
You must be a very strong person to have survived
so much. I can only bow to your knowledge, and lived
experience which I appreciate greatly. Of course
things will take time. I only hope to still be alive
to see some of it happen.

Again Thank You for sharing, and for your understanding.

Dear Paul,

I admire your tenacity of arguing with mhaze.

I wish that our War Memorial in Canberra would
acknowledge truth-telling and that the archival records
of the Frontier Wars were displayed and acknowledged.

http://theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/12/australian-war-memorial-ignores-frontier-war

Paul,

Pamphlet and his companions witnessed a series of fights during their travails. In the fight witnessed by Finnegan overall three warriors were killed. Its difficult to discern exactly how many people were involved but at one point a figure of 500 is mentioned. Three in 500 is a much greater proportion than 1 in 270. Also those three were all from the side favourable to the castaways. There is no way to know how many died on the other side.

So despite what you want to believe, the events surrounding the the Moreton Bay castaways validates the figures I've previously mentioned.

"You are yet to provide evidence of large scale massacres by Aboriginal people perpetrated on each other, post 1788?"

You old duffer. I mentioned the Finke River massacre and you agreed that it happened. Have you memory-holed that already?

mhaze,

You mentioned one in one particular year, that massacre was 80 to 100 persons, well short of 3,000 per year for every year. Finke River, one in one particular year, I'll give you 100, where are all the other massacres for the year 1875, you are about 2900 short. You have 60,000 years to choose from surely you can present evidence of 3,000 Aboriginals massacred by other Aboriginals for at least one of those years. Where is your evidence, nowhere to be seen!

Now as for Finnigan, you admit the number involved is ifey at best, and of course there are the "deaths" on the other side, again you don't know, you are clueless, but to suit your narrative you want us to believe it was also greater than your magic ratio of 1:270.

Paul,

I don't know why I need to explain this to you but the deaths weren't all massacres. As you've now found on the Moreton Bay incident, there were innumerable battles with small numbers involved, and a few deaths. You just make up these scenarios out of thin air (been spending too much time around SR) and then pretend they are facts. Read Blainey (or plenty of other historians) to see how these death rates are achieved. But just putting hands over both eyes and then saying you can't see the data is bonkers.

" to suit your narrative you want us to believe it was also greater than your magic ratio of 1:270."

Well we know it was greater than 1 in 270. We know it was at least 3 in 500 and probably more than 3.
You're so funny. You went from asserting that there were no deaths witnessed by the Moreton Bay castaways to telling me that I should know there were more than 3.

Sorry Paul, I'm done. Even a cat gets bored playing with his mouse victim.

mhaze,

I didn't say there were no deaths, never ever, I said Pamphlett recounted an incident he observed between two groups of Aboriginals. After their return to "civilisation", it was Pamphlett's account that was recorded, not Finnegan's, as Pamphlett was a 'ticket-of-leave' man, whereas Finnegan was still a convict. Even so, you call 3 deaths in 500 between two armed parties a "massacre", loser!

The Native American tribes massacred Custer and his outfit, by killing the lot. If Custer had lost say 3 men in his 100 odd, would you call that a massacre?

You did get one massacre right, of possibly 100 Aboriginals, at Finke River in 1875, that's well short of 1/270. To get your ratio correct, the total Aboriginal population of Australia in 1875 had to be no more than 27,000, which we know it was substantially greater than that.

Just give me one year where Aboriginals massacred 3,000, if you can't then I say you are full of it