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Posted by ttbn, Friday, 19 May 2023 9:03:03 AM
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Kinzhal missile wipes out Patriot air defense system in Kiev — Russian Defense Ministry
On Tuesday, the Russian Defense Ministry reported that the Russian Armed Forces hit a US-made Patriot system in Kiev with a Kinzhal hypersonic missile http://tass.com/defense/1619127 "MOSCOW, May 17. /TASS/. The Kinzhal hypersonic missile completely destroyed five launchers and a multifunctional radar station of the US-made Patriot air defense system in Kiev on May 16, the Russian Defense Ministry reported on Wednesday." Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 19 May 2023 9:28:37 AM
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Hi AC,
I believe that Patriot system sustained minor damage and is up and running again. Russia's best weapon against the Ukrainians is the glide bomb currently. Russia has mostly infantry and guided missiles on the front now. What is left of the hardware is being pushed further and further back as the Ukrainian drone capability improves. You can see the purpose of the Ukrainians targeting Bakhmut. It is forcing the Russian army to send reinforcements which are being targeted en route. Meanwhile the Ukrainians are also destroying more artillery, air defense systems and special equipment. Conducting counterattacks is giving Ukraine a good understanding of what might be effective. My view remains that the Ukrainians are in no hurry to start a counteroffensive as they realise that Russian losses are unsustainable and will make holding the large front line untenable. Posted by Fester, Saturday, 20 May 2023 5:37:16 PM
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Believe.
I guess that's the keyword here Fester. As long as the people at home 'believe' that it was just a few scratches they can keep on 'believing' that Ukraine and the collective West is in with a good chance of 'showing those Ruskies' who's boss. They will continue to accept the cost of this war. As long as the leaders of the collective west 'believe' that Patriot is capable of taking down Russian hypersonic missiles, the US can sell them replacements for their own military stockpiles. As long as all these people 'believe' this then US politicians can keep riding the gravy train of military profits. As long as people 'believe' as you do then the US military won't suffer any reputational damage. Patriot Radar Station and Five Missile Batteries Destroyed in Russian Hypersonic Strike on Kiev http://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/patriot-station-batteries-destroyed-hypersonic "Three primary factors thought to have influenced Washington to eventually approve transfers of Patriots to Ukraine included sustained pressure from European allies, the danger of Ukrainian population centres becoming unliveable due to Russian strikes on critical infrastructure, and the very serious depletion of Ukraine’s existing air defence network built around Soviet S-300 and BuK systems which the country inherited in considerable quantities in 1991. Patriots are by far the most costly military assets Ukraine has in service, and their delivered has absorbed a high portion of the funds allocated to aiding the Ukrainian war effort - an investment which it was long argued by multiple analysts would be far from cost effectively. The Patriots were assigned to protect the capital following major Russian strikes on critical infrastructure, with their much lower mobility and more limited arcs of fire than even Soviet era variants of the S-300 system limiting their suitability for use near the frontlines in Eastern Ukraine. The Patriot system targeted reportedly fired 32 interceptors at the Kinzhal ballistic missiles that targeted it, all of which failed, with this salvo alone having cost approximately $96 million." Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 20 May 2023 8:14:10 PM
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https://twitter.com/squatsons/status/1658309419179081729
Watch the video again. 32 Patriot misiles fired in 2 minutes Cost 100 million. They only sent 2 Patriot missile batteries to Ukraine, and maybe it's just as well, they couldn't possibly afford three, and they just don't have the missiles or capacity to produce them at that level of use anyway. Russia is going to destroy whatever 'wonder weapon of the week' the US sends. Next week it will be F16's, and it's going to be a lot harder to hide those losses. "You can see the purpose of the Ukrainians targeting Bakhmut. It is forcing the Russian army to send reinforcements which are being targeted en route." Ukraine are losing Bakhmut, so much so that it shouldn't even be called that anymore. It's now Artemovsk, there's no chance of Ukraine taking it back. If Ukraine are losing that city, then how could you think that Ukraine are the not the ones who have been sending more and more reinforcements? How can Russians be attacked on their way to and from Artemovsk? Ukraine can't even do troop rotations, evacuate wounded and bring in supplies without coming under fire, and it's been that way for months. Russia isn't coming under fire moving forces in and out of the city. "Meanwhile the Ukrainians are also destroying more artillery, air defense systems and special equipment." What makes you think that ANYTHING the collective West and Ukraine are doing is making any tangible difference at all? I said this months ago. Ukraine is not winning the war of attrition, and it's not winning the war of territorial conquest. The reason you cling on to this 'believe' idea is because that's all you've got. It's really all the west has it can sell you. Here: Watch it rain fire down upon the last Ukrainians in the last corner of Artemovsk. Bakhmut Endgame | Final Day? http://youtu.be/PTQgspDRHoI Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 20 May 2023 8:46:30 PM
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"My view remains that the Ukrainians are in no hurry to start a counteroffensive as they realise that Russian losses are unsustainable and will make holding the large front line untenable."
The reason they're in no hurry, is because they're in no hurry to lose, which is what's going to happen. Then they will lose political and military support of the collective wests leaders, who have little left to give now anyway. I showed you all the story of Russia destroying 70,000 tonne fuel depot, I showed you the ammo dumps being blown up, there go your TOW missiles for the Bradleys and depleted Urainium tank rounds for the Leopard 2's. One Patriot has been hit, and the other is a sitting duck, and Ukraine doesn't have the amount of missiles or Patriot batteries it needs to be effective, and it can't stop Kinzhal hypersonic missiles anyway, even when it fires everything it has at them. It doesn't matter what the West throws at Russia, it's not going to change the outcome. What makes you think it has any realistic chance of waging any kind of successful counteroffensive or taking any significant territory back? "Believe." - It's almost like a religion, this 'believe' idea. It's not really well grounded in any kind of fact. And the fact is, Ukraine is losing badly. Maybe you believe the stories of human waves or that Russia is running out of tanks and missiles. That stories been told for almost a year, but Russia doesn't seem to be losing, does it? Keep on believing, if you must. Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 20 May 2023 8:52:15 PM
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Politicians are CHANGING the POPULATION, for new people very likely to support Leftism. It is also their lazy way of getting economic growth, and isolating white people by inferring that objectors to their scheme are 'racist'.
These stupid, lazy politicians don't seem to realise that they can be replaced by non-white, non-Western, anti-white cultures, too.