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Russia's much-hyped unstoppable hypersonic Kinzhal missile has met its match in the latest Patriot systems with 6 Kinzhal missiles being shot out of the sky in short order near Kyviv. Considering that these missiles cost about $10m each this must have Putin crying into his vodka.

The latest Russian and Chinese missiles have been claimed to be unstoppable and threaten to take out US supercarriers. However, hypersonic missiles have several vulnerabilities.

1. Traveling at hypersonic speeds generates a skin temperature on the missile over 1000C to 2000C and can be seen from a hundred miles away by AWACs, giving ships plenty of time to shoot them down.
2. Above Mach 7 the air starts to turn to plasma which interferes with accurate navigation which means that these missiles are either very inaccurate or need to slow to below Mach 5. (which Kinzhal does).

What this means is that Russia's vaunted weapon has been defanged and the US carriers are largely safe.

In the interim, the US missile development has been focused on making their missiles stealthy to fly just above the water at supersonic speeds with reduced radar and heat signatures.
Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 12:21:43 PM
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Could Russia be just ridding itself of crims & out of date weapons at this stage ?
Posted by Indyvidual, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 9:01:30 PM
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The point is that the Russians and Chinese have been posturing about how they have these new game-changing weapons. The reality is that they are not game-changing at all.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 18 May 2023 3:57:40 AM
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posturing about how they have these new game-changing weapons
Shadowminister,
I just pray we don’t reach the point where they could possibly back up that posturing !
I simply go by what I see in pictures by way of infrastructure, tourism facilities & sheer number of whatever they have created. The most outstanding being the discipline & commitment of its people to their Nation. Anyone thinking of how things work there should seriously think of how this World would be if it had 1.4 Billion Westerners in one Nation. Try to think if there were a Billion Australians.
Posted by Indyvidual, Thursday, 18 May 2023 11:06:04 AM
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Aha what a joke.

You bought into the sales pitch shadow minister
The entire Patriot v's Kinzhal was just a lie and narrative to create a context for support for further weapons shipments.

Russia blew up a Patriot missile system several days ago.
- Just as I said they would.

They're even talking about it on CNN.
http://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/16/politics/patriot-missile-damage-ukraine/index.html

Russia sent a wave of decoys in,
Patriot system started firing on those decoys
Kinzhal destroyed the Patriot.
And Ukrainian SBU arrested the 6 Ukrainians connected to the release of the footage.
Have you seen the footage?
http://twitter.com/squatsons/status/1658309419179081729

Blew up a huge Ukrainian Ammo dump in Khmelnitsky as well,
(just as I also said they would)
Big Explosions.
Half a billion dollars worth of US / NATO / Western supplied weapons went up apparently.
Some say there were UK supplied depleted Uranium tank rounds there as well.

Well so much for the Great Ukrainian Spring Counter Offensive.
- Springs almost over, better luck next year...
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 18 May 2023 3:49:46 PM
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Russia is highly unlikely to be a threat to Australia, but China certainly is, and it might not need weapons of any sort.

Sun-Tzu wrote of the  possibility of defeating an enemy without firing a shot. Something for Australia, and other  democratic countries that take in immigrants and engage in free trade to think about. 

The Chinese Communist Party has already achieved a strong  interest in Australia;  a substantial  population of ethnic Chinese is growing steadily, and are so comfortable in their local communities that they do not bother to learn English. Australia  has accepted CCP  investment, foolishly believing that it is just normal investing, when the CCP is less interested in making money than it is in gaining ownership and control. Mining, farming, food processing, communications, water rights   - are just some of the CCP targets, along with port management and tourism. Once the CCP gets its hands on these enterprises, it is hard, if not impossible, for weak and gullible Australian governments to get them back. 

Weaponry could be the least of our worries.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 18 May 2023 7:18:47 PM
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Mass immigration is leading to more multiracialism and the gradual ELIMINATION of WHITENESS.

Politicians are CHANGING the POPULATION, for new people very likely to support Leftism. It is also their lazy way of getting economic growth, and isolating white people by inferring that objectors to their scheme are 'racist'.

These stupid, lazy politicians don't seem to realise that they can be replaced by non-white, non-Western, anti-white cultures, too.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 19 May 2023 9:03:03 AM
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Kinzhal missile wipes out Patriot air defense system in Kiev — Russian Defense Ministry
On Tuesday, the Russian Defense Ministry reported that the Russian Armed Forces hit a US-made Patriot system in Kiev with a Kinzhal hypersonic missile
http://tass.com/defense/1619127

"MOSCOW, May 17. /TASS/. The Kinzhal hypersonic missile completely destroyed five launchers and a multifunctional radar station of the US-made Patriot air defense system in Kiev on May 16, the Russian Defense Ministry reported on Wednesday."
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 19 May 2023 9:28:37 AM
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Hi AC,

I believe that Patriot system sustained minor damage and is up and running again. Russia's best weapon against the Ukrainians is the glide bomb currently. Russia has mostly infantry and guided missiles on the front now. What is left of the hardware is being pushed further and further back as the Ukrainian drone capability improves.

You can see the purpose of the Ukrainians targeting Bakhmut. It is forcing the Russian army to send reinforcements which are being targeted en route. Meanwhile the Ukrainians are also destroying more artillery, air defense systems and special equipment. Conducting counterattacks is giving Ukraine a good understanding of what might be effective. My view remains that the Ukrainians are in no hurry to start a counteroffensive as they realise that Russian losses are unsustainable and will make holding the large front line untenable.
Posted by Fester, Saturday, 20 May 2023 5:37:16 PM
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Believe.
I guess that's the keyword here Fester.

As long as the people at home 'believe' that it was just a few scratches they can keep on 'believing' that Ukraine and the collective West is in with a good chance of 'showing those Ruskies' who's boss.
They will continue to accept the cost of this war.

As long as the leaders of the collective west 'believe' that Patriot is capable of taking down Russian hypersonic missiles, the US can sell them replacements for their own military stockpiles.

As long as all these people 'believe' this then US politicians can keep riding the gravy train of military profits.

As long as people 'believe' as you do then the US military won't suffer any reputational damage.

Patriot Radar Station and Five Missile Batteries Destroyed in Russian Hypersonic Strike on Kiev
http://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/patriot-station-batteries-destroyed-hypersonic

"Three primary factors thought to have influenced Washington to eventually approve transfers of Patriots to Ukraine included sustained pressure from European allies, the danger of Ukrainian population centres becoming unliveable due to Russian strikes on critical infrastructure, and the very serious depletion of Ukraine’s existing air defence network built around Soviet S-300 and BuK systems which the country inherited in considerable quantities in 1991. Patriots are by far the most costly military assets Ukraine has in service, and their delivered has absorbed a high portion of the funds allocated to aiding the Ukrainian war effort - an investment which it was long argued by multiple analysts would be far from cost effectively. The Patriots were assigned to protect the capital following major Russian strikes on critical infrastructure, with their much lower mobility and more limited arcs of fire than even Soviet era variants of the S-300 system limiting their suitability for use near the frontlines in Eastern Ukraine. The Patriot system targeted reportedly fired 32 interceptors at the Kinzhal ballistic missiles that targeted it, all of which failed, with this salvo alone having cost approximately $96 million."
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 20 May 2023 8:14:10 PM
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https://twitter.com/squatsons/status/1658309419179081729
Watch the video again.
32 Patriot misiles fired in 2 minutes
Cost 100 million.

They only sent 2 Patriot missile batteries to Ukraine, and maybe it's just as well, they couldn't possibly afford three, and they just don't have the missiles or capacity to produce them at that level of use anyway.

Russia is going to destroy whatever 'wonder weapon of the week' the US sends.
Next week it will be F16's, and it's going to be a lot harder to hide those losses.

"You can see the purpose of the Ukrainians targeting Bakhmut. It is forcing the Russian army to send reinforcements which are being targeted en route."

Ukraine are losing Bakhmut, so much so that it shouldn't even be called that anymore. It's now Artemovsk, there's no chance of Ukraine taking it back. If Ukraine are losing that city, then how could you think that Ukraine are the not the ones who have been sending more and more reinforcements?
How can Russians be attacked on their way to and from Artemovsk?
Ukraine can't even do troop rotations, evacuate wounded and bring in supplies without coming under fire, and it's been that way for months.
Russia isn't coming under fire moving forces in and out of the city.

"Meanwhile the Ukrainians are also destroying more artillery, air defense systems and special equipment."

What makes you think that ANYTHING the collective West and Ukraine are doing is making any tangible difference at all?

I said this months ago.
Ukraine is not winning the war of attrition, and it's not winning the war of territorial conquest.

The reason you cling on to this 'believe' idea is because that's all you've got. It's really all the west has it can sell you.

Here: Watch it rain fire down upon the last Ukrainians in the last corner of Artemovsk.

Bakhmut Endgame | Final Day?
http://youtu.be/PTQgspDRHoI
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 20 May 2023 8:46:30 PM
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"My view remains that the Ukrainians are in no hurry to start a counteroffensive as they realise that Russian losses are unsustainable and will make holding the large front line untenable."

The reason they're in no hurry, is because they're in no hurry to lose, which is what's going to happen.
Then they will lose political and military support of the collective wests leaders, who have little left to give now anyway.

I showed you all the story of Russia destroying 70,000 tonne fuel depot, I showed you the ammo dumps being blown up, there go your TOW missiles for the Bradleys and depleted Urainium tank rounds for the Leopard 2's. One Patriot has been hit, and the other is a sitting duck, and Ukraine doesn't have the amount of missiles or Patriot batteries it needs to be effective, and it can't stop Kinzhal hypersonic missiles anyway, even when it fires everything it has at them.

It doesn't matter what the West throws at Russia, it's not going to change the outcome.

What makes you think it has any realistic chance of waging any kind of successful counteroffensive or taking any significant territory back?

"Believe."
- It's almost like a religion, this 'believe' idea.
It's not really well grounded in any kind of fact.
And the fact is, Ukraine is losing badly.

Maybe you believe the stories of human waves or that Russia is running out of tanks and missiles.
That stories been told for almost a year, but Russia doesn't seem to be losing, does it?

Keep on believing, if you must.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 20 May 2023 8:52:15 PM
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'Russian losses are unsustainable'
You've been sold a lie, just like 'Russia has run out of missiles' just like all the other lies they sold you.

Maybe eventually they will find WMD's in Iraq at some point?
- If you 'believe' it then who am I to say you're wrong and convince you otherwise?

If Russian losses were as bad as Ukraine claims and the US repeats, there would be civil unrest and opposition to the war in Russia.

All they can do is weak as piss attacks on non-combatants, women and bloggers inside Russia for propaganda purposes and optics of putting up a good fight, did the same by having an innocent dupe drive a truckload of fertiliser over the Kersh Strait bridge, but none of these things are going to take back lost territory.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 20 May 2023 9:05:49 PM
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Were Russia all that capable, it would go in and finish the job now.
Why isn't it doing that?
Why is it holding back?
There is more to this than news reports allow us.
Posted by Ipso Fatso, Saturday, 20 May 2023 9:08:31 PM
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BREAKING NEWS | WAGNER CAPTURES BAKHMUT 20/05/23
http://youtu.be/5Ov4qLlw5ww

Exactly one year to the day since they captured Mariupol.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 21 May 2023 12:19:48 AM
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You wanna know why Ukraine always says that it has a really high success rate hitting Russian drones and missiles?

Did you watch that earlier twitter video
- 32 missiles from a US Patriot in 2 minutes?
That footage tells a story.

To understand why Ukraine has such a high success rate you need to ask yourself
"What happens to all the missiles the Ukrainian air defense fires that miss?"
- They sometimes hit residential buildings.
So you say you have a really high success rate for interception.
(and imply the missiles you fire never miss)

- Then when your own troops unintentionally fire an air defence missile into a residential building;
- You can say "Russia did it! Deliberately. War Crimes."
"Russia is deliberately targeting innocent people"
- And stealing children.

We're all fed garbage.
80% of what the media tells you is propaganda.
One take away is that Ukrainian air defense isn't as great as claimed.
On the other hand, it is great for US weapon exports though, regardless of outcome.

Another is that Russia isn't deliberately targeting residential buildings unless military or military related personnel are in them.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 21 May 2023 12:45:15 AM
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Hi AC,

You might think that you have a greater understanding of truth, but I think that we are all in the peanut gallery.

Bakhmut has been completely demolished, which is why the Ukrainian forces left. How long do you think it will be before the Russians are forced to retreat from it?

"Russia isn't deliberately targeting residential buildings unless military or military related personnel are in them."

The Russian army has less accurate weapons and is renowned for targeting civilians. Remember all the Bucha residents that were murdered? Many ham radio operators heard the Russian commanders issuing orders to kill civilians.

I understand that the Russian media is claiming that the lack of progress in the war is because of poor command and the claim that the Russian army is fighting the entirety of NATO forces. Further, it claims that these forces are nearly all destroyed.

Over the coming months it should become clear what is happening. No amount of propaganda can hide a defeat. If the Ukrainians can effectively cut supplies to Russian troops at the front their task will be much easier. I suspect that this is what they are trying to do.
Posted by Fester, Sunday, 21 May 2023 6:56:29 AM
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The Ukrain/Russia affair is bats..t boring. It is now low priority even on the hysterical main stream media.

Tonight, on 7, at 8.30, there is a story about our political class seemingly intending to allow the Chinese Communist Party to destroy an Australian rain forest!

Pay more attention to your own country and the trash ruining it. Let foreigners look after themselves. Ukraine sees Australia and the West only as a source of money and equipment for their political ideology.

Their Little Hitler leader swans around the world, begging and big-noting himself, while his country and people are being destroyed.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 21 May 2023 9:22:19 AM
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"You might think that you have a greater understanding of truth, but I think that we are all in the peanut gallery."
- All I've ever done is try to share a different point of view than the one everyone gets from the corporate media.

"Bakhmut has been completely demolished, which is why the Ukrainian forces left. How long do you think it will be before the Russians are forced to retreat from it?"
- Ukrainians didn't choose to leave as you've implied, they fought to keep it at any cost. The chances of Ukraine taking it back are no better than their ability to keep it in the first place.

"The Russian army has less accurate weapons and is renowned for targeting civilians."
- 'Renowned for targeting civilians'... You selling the same bs narrative that was sold to you.
"Remember all the Bucha residents that were murdered?"
- Yes I do. It was Ukrainian forces going door to door shooting people suspected of being Russian collaborators. It's just another lie you were sold.
"Many ham radio operators heard the Russian commanders issuing orders to kill civilians."
- Many (emphasis) 'Ukrainian' ham radio operators...
I also remember showing you all a video with witness testimony that it was Ukrainians that blew up the Mariupol Drama Theatre full of women kids and elderly, to blame on Russia, but you think the Ukrainian ham radio operators would never tell a lie.
I don't know what else to tell you...
- Maybe we should revisit 'believe' again?

"Over the coming months it should become clear what is happening. No amount of propaganda can hide a defeat."
- True.

"If the Ukrainians can effectively cut supplies to Russian troops at the front their task will be much easier. I suspect that this is what they are trying to do."
- 'If'. Right now even with the collective wests help they can't even put together a force capable of conducting a successful counteroffensive with any real hope of success.
Russia keeps blowing everything up before they even get a chance to put it to use.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 22 May 2023 1:31:58 AM
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The west will want an off ramp where they don't lose face, when it becomes completely clear they can't win, but we're not quite there yet.
Things might become further complicated if and when F16s start being shot down.
Some say the west will quietly offer Russia a peace deal, i.e push for an armistice similar to what happened at the end of the Korean war, but Russia is not likely to accept this (effectively a Minsk 3)
Firstly they have no reason to trust the West after they (The collective West) negotiated Minsk 2 in bad faith and had no intention of honouring it, merely buying time to strengthen Ukraines position militarily, and secondly it will put Putin's government in direct conflict with Russian nationalists who already think he's been too soft, and the West would again certainly be trying to buy time once again to rearm and regroup to continue the war at a later date.

Likely Russia will keep pushing at least until they take everything west of the Dnieper, surround Kiev and force Ukraine to accept a deal on Russia's terms. 'Denazify and Demilitarise.'
Right now Russia is happy for Zelensky to remain in place, (He's making foolish choices against the advice of his own military advisors and he's very much a Hillary Clinton type figure, in that the more he stands on a podium making demands and pontificating the more western leaders and citizens come to loathe him);
- But ultimately the entire Ukrainian government will have to go, and a new Ukrainian government will have to pledge not to join NATO and remain neutral, and Russia will push for a new European security agreement that respects Russias security interests.
As for Odessa, who's to say what Russian plans are there, whether they intend on taking that as well.
At the same time I think if Russian forces push into western Ukraine, then Poland may well also send their military into Ukraine to take a chunk of western Ukraine as well.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 22 May 2023 2:01:57 AM
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"Pay more attention to your own country and the trash ruining it."

Which trash are you referring to exactly?
- The trash running it or the trash that voted for them?
Maybe our country has gotten the exact leadership it deserved to have?
Clueless gullible idiots fed too much crap in schools and aren't ever given the full story by other idiots on tv and radio.

I can't change the way Australians think about certain issues.
You grievance shouldn't be with me, but the people who set curriculum taught to kids in school, career university academics who mould the minds of young adults but fail to teach or allow them to think for themselves and a complicit corporate media who do much the same to the rest of us, failing to ever inform the general public with the full story on any issue, but instead aim to mislead, misinform or persuade people to think a certain way about that particular issue, whatever that issue may be.

Maybe the problem itself is democracy or the current version of it.
Our nation became captured and is a vassal state of the collective west ruled by the US, and where we are more concerned about 'international democracy' and the rights of refugees for example as opposed to 'national democracy' where upon we can't even be allowed to discuss or decide whats in our own interests on our own lest someone might cry 'racist'.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 22 May 2023 2:35:32 AM
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Our leaders were quick to become authoritarians during the pandemic, and remember democracy only exists for issues that don't matter, for the purpose of making us think we have a choice, when all the decisions that matter have been decided by foreigners by treaty whether that be UN or others, and on that issue, we find that both sides of politics are usually bipartisan and in agreement and the people have no choice at all anyway.
- The political parties themselves being two wings of the same bird.

That said why would I want to pay more attention to what's going on in this country?
- It would just get more more upset and feeling more disillusioned at the state of things when I can't do anything to change it anyway.

Look at the twits we get to choose from - Dutton and Albo, and you're all convinced democracy is serving us well.
It may very well instead be a race to the bottom?

And maybe that in itself is the reason why Australians got the exact government they deserved.
They think democracy is working well when maybe it actually isn't working so well at all.
But it wasn't their fault, the system was rigged and the cards were stacked against them.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 22 May 2023 2:41:00 AM
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In an earlier comment I wrote 'take everything west of the Dnieper'
- I made a mistake there, meant to say everything east.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 22 May 2023 10:55:39 AM
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"Russia keeps blowing everything up before they even get a chance to put it to use."

If you are referring to Russian tanks I agree with you AC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_uBkaurCLo

The best thing about our polarised views AC is that if either of our opinions is accurate the war will end sooner rather than later. That is surely a good thing.
Posted by Fester, Monday, 22 May 2023 8:03:29 PM
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Nasty.
Yes we can agree on that.
The sooner conscripts stop dying and the adults sit down and work things out the better, but the people in charge in Washington are happy for Ukrainians to die if it hurts Russia.
They engineered this whole scenario.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 22 May 2023 10:38:21 PM
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ArmChair Critic, addressing nobody in particular says that he " can't change the way Australians think about certain issues".

Correct. So why does he keep arguing with other posters, instead of just expressing his own opinion? Nobody on OLO - or anyone, anywhere - changes his or her opinions after their formative years. Only 5% of the population changes governments. Arguing, particularly for a bunch of anonymous nobodies, is a waste of time.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 23 May 2023 8:50:19 AM
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Apart from putting NATO on Russia's border, and removing Putin from power altogether, I'm becoming increasingly convinced this whole thing has always been about Crimea. Removing Russians from their naval base at Sevastopol, and putting Western aligned troops in it.

In any case the West has been waging a war against Russia for a long time regardless of when he sent troops in to protect Russian speaking Ukrainians.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 23 May 2023 1:53:47 PM
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US MRAPS in Russia killing civilians and shooting residential buildings
http://www.youtube.com/live/wZmL5fkZjZo?feature=share&t=2282
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 23 May 2023 2:13:24 PM
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AC,

This is about removing the Russians from Ukrainian Donbass and Crimea.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 25 May 2023 9:50:07 AM
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AC,

You are a star demonstration of delusion.

Your lies:
Nato supplied weapons to Ukraine before Russia's illegal invasion- Bollocks the supply of arms only started in 2022 when it was obvious that Russia was going to illegally invade Ukraine again.

Nato countries are running out of weapons and ammo - super bollocks are not even close.
The US and EU citizens are strongly for arming Ukraine and Ukraine has in 2023 received over $10bn in weapons

Satellite photos showed dead civilians in Russian-occupied Bucha that could only have been murdered by Russians.

Russia at the cost of 10s of 1000s of men and vast amounts of materiel is now in charge of a pile of Rubble that used to be Bahkmut. Wagner is nearly wiped out,

A small handful of Russian rebels easily invaded Belgorad due to the weakness of the Russian army.

The Patriot batteries easily downed Russia's Kinsal missile.

Russia is losing this war.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 25 May 2023 12:05:53 PM
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The numbers I'm hearing are around 42K - 50k Ukrainians to 15K Russians in Artyomovsk
- So around 3 Ukrainians died in battle for every Russian.

By the way, there's some reports out about General Zaluzhny

Ukraine’s top general gravely wounded in Russian strike – RIA
http://www.rt.com/russia/576833-ukraine-commander-zaluzhny-injury/

"The commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian armed forces, General Valery Zaluzhny, was seriously wounded in a Russian missile strike near the city of Kherson earlier this month, a security source has told RIA Novosti.

Zaluzhny, who has recently disappeared from the public eye, suffered a head injury and numerous shrapnel wounds during the attack in early May, which targeted a Ukrainian command post near the village of Posad-Pokrovskoe, the agency reported on Wednesday."

And I couldn't be bothered arguing with you about all the rest of your crap, but heres a flashback to Bucha

First read this:
In chilling call to wife, Russian soldier boasts of “children safari” in Mariupol - intercept
http://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3446694-in-chilling-call-to-wife-russian-soldier-boasts-of-children-safari-in-mariupol-audio-intercept.html

So what exactly is a 'Safari'?

Special Forces Regiment SAFARI Begins Clearing Operation in Bucha from Saboteurs and Accomplices of Russia - National Police
(This report was published April 2, a day prior to the reports of a "massacre" in Bucha.)
http://en.lb.ua/news/2022/04/02/12441_special_forces_regiment_safari.html

http://www.sott.net/article/466350-Special-Forces-Regiment-SAFARI-Begins-Clearing-Operation-in-Bucha-from-Saboteurs-and-Accomplices-of-Russia-National-Police
"This is doublespeak for killing Ukrainian civilians suspected of sympathizing or 'collaborating' with the enemy. Assuming the bodies in the alleged Bucha massacre were not there prior to April 1, the possibility remains that at least some of them were 'collaborators' executed by the Azov battalion. It's also possible that some or many simply got caught in shelling, evidence for which is obvious in the videos and pictures of the bodies."
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 25 May 2023 11:45:16 PM
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"This is about removing the Russians from Ukrainian Donbass and Crimea."
- That's not going to happen without NATO intervention, and they're not up to the task right now.
If and when they are, Russia would likely use tactical nukes if Crimea was at risk.

This whole thing is about western imperialism, and theft.
- But you're too blind to see the bigger picture of anything.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 26 May 2023 12:11:39 AM
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AC,

Once again your sources are lying. General Zaluzhny is in good health and was never injured. The rest of your propaganda is also bollocks.

So now Ukraine is getting F16s and a few Swedish Gripens with advanced long-range air-to-air missiles that can shoot down Russian planes before they get into range.
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 26 May 2023 11:20:44 AM
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Russia is now pushing out 100 new T-90s every month and they're now producing well over 2 million rounds per year and will continue to increase production
(They had a stockpile of 19 million rounds prior to the invasion)

"that can shoot down Russian planes before they get into range"
- Russia can hit any target in Ukraine ANYTIME and are producing over 100 missiles a month, production also increasing...

- And this is what will happen to your 1970's F16s and Gripens

Better Than Patriots! Russia’s S-350 Vityaz Downs Enemy Aircraft While Operating In Automatic Mode
http://youtu.be/SL_6_Eghymo

Meanwhile Zelensky is started to be hated everywhere

He peed off the Japanese talking about Ukraine in Hiroshima
Peed off the Arab league doing the same when they have the unresolved Palestinian issue for decades
Peed off the Vatican
Peed off the US when making an incursion into Russia with US equipment
(Even though US silently gave them the nod to do it)
Got the blame for Nordstream (even though it was the US)
And peed off Turkey when trying to attack the Russia ships guarding Turkstream a day or so back
And now peed off Europe by wanting to increase oil and gas transit fees through Ukraine, whilst Germany has gone into recession
And the US tap for weapons and funds is drying up.

So where's Zaluzhny then, he was a no-show to a NATO meeting weeks back and hasn't been seen, Ukraine wouldn't be hiding and avoiding the issue if he wasn't under guard or in good health?

Keep living the dream pal...
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 26 May 2023 12:34:26 PM
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AC,

Now you are outright lying.

Russia has only one tank factory that can put out 20 T90s a month maybe 30 with working 24/7. Where has Russia built these 2 or 3 other factories? Dream on.

Zelensky has peed off the Japanese to the point that they gave him a warm welcome and $bns in arms. The US$3bn from the US, The warm greetings from the pope etc. The Europeans were so pissed off that they gave him billions of euros in arms missiles etc and will be sending F16s and sanctions countries that help Russia bypass sanctions.

Sanctions are destroying Russia's economy which will run out of cash reserves by 2024 which means that Russia will need to print money.

Ukraine is getting stronger while Russia is getting weaker.

Russia is losing this war.
Posted by shadowminister, Sunday, 28 May 2023 9:53:30 AM
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I could show you where Alexander Mercouris stated it, but I havent seen the report he's referring to and I can't verify it myself.
http://youtu.be/oskwSLML0u0?t=2233

(somewhere in the 38 minute mark)

I've mostly given up arguing with you though as it's kind of pointless trying to impress anything much on you and others.
- You lot want a nuclear war so badly, well you just might get one.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 29 May 2023 10:13:49 PM
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"The Europeans were so pissed off that they gave him billions of euros"
- The Europeans are such pissweak lapdogs of the US that after the US blew up Nordstream, and destroyed their economies, put thousands out of work, increased the cost of living for all their citizens and sent them into recession all people like Olaf Sholtz can do is get down on their hands and knees and put their tongue up the United States arse in constant praise.

Their own people might freeze this winter because they can't afford to keep warm, that's for sure.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 29 May 2023 10:20:26 PM
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AC,

Alexander Mercouris is a buffoon who has been consistently wrong. He has no special access to the news and simply says what you want to hear.

You have never provided any proof of your BS.

Russia is losing this war.
Posted by shadowminister, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 4:46:07 AM
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"You have never provided any proof of your BS.

Russia is losing this war."

And you've never provided any proof of yours,
- Right back at ya mate, you stepped in your own turd again.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 7:14:32 PM
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Putin and China just scored a devastating blow to the U.S. and Europe
http://youtu.be/eXvYOq2NrDE

Everything I've been saying for years is turning out to be true, charter boat.
The war in Ukraine is just one part, there's also the economic war.
Russia is forecast for growth by the IMF in 2024,
(replaced it's oil and gas sales to Europe to China and India
(making China stronger and Europe and the West weaker)
the US not so well and Germany and Europe - one is and the other headed for - recession.
Good luck this winter Germany
(US lapdogs at their own citizens expense)
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 7:32:19 PM
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Baldrick,

I've provided plenty of evidence that Russia is losing. Your answer is simply to deny the facts and then repeat Russian lies.

This is not a short war, and prolonged wars are a battle of logistics. The 50+ countries actively supporting Ukraine have about 70x the manufacturing capability of Russia and far more advanced tech.

The Ukrainian army has built up a bigger, better-trained and armed force than the Russians have with more tanks AFVs and firepower than before Russia's illegal invasion, and they have been very actively hunting down Russian hardware far faster than Russia can replace it.

Russia's army is low on tanks, ammunition and men and Russian civilians can now see drone strikes and sabotage on Russian territory and 100s of funerals of their sons and husbands every day.

The Russian economy is running out of reserves and sanctions are getting tighter and tighter with secondary sanctions now being applied to sanctions busters.

Russia is losing this war.
Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 31 May 2023 4:49:10 AM
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http://tass.com/politics/1625057

"Russian forces continue to inflict an effective fire impact on the enemy. Its losses this month alone totaled over 16,000 troops, 16 aircraft, 5 helicopters, 466 drones, over 400 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, and 238 field artillery pieces and mortars," Shoigu said during a conference call.

He added that 196 HIMARS rockets, 16 HARM rockets and 29 Storm Shadow long-range cruise missiles were intercepted and destroyed during the reviewed period."

Keep on winning SM

I heard there was an attack on Ukrainian decision making centres last night that was so big it registered on the richter scale.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 31 May 2023 8:48:56 AM
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Oh and btw, many of your precious 'Storm Shadow' missiles got blown up before they ever got to do any harm.
http://youtu.be/rQbDlwRaFdw?t=342

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-attacks-khmelnytskyi-oblast-disables-103600068.html

Remember this from two weeks ago charter boat?
http://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1657439914949062657?lang=en

- Me thinks maybe some of your storm shadow missiles were in that explosion, as well as TOW missiles for the Bradleys...
- And by the way Reznikov says all they got were 60 Leopard 2's...
Even you admitted Russia can build 30 T90's a month.
So as for your war changing delivery of western tanks, seems like a big song and dance over nothing.

- Send the F-16's, it wont help Ukraine much but at least it will enrich the warmongering US for a little longer, while continuing to deplete their military capabilities.
- Russia will use them as target practice.

By the way did you watch through that video that says Bakhmut was a successful Russian trap that chewed up 100 thousand + Ukrainian troops, and the cost of 20K Russian prison inmates?

But you just keep your head in the sand mate...
While you beat the drums of war, Ukraine's negotiating position just keeps getting weaker.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 31 May 2023 11:20:03 AM
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Baldrick,

These sources claimed the destruction of 400% of the Himars systems, 200% of the airforce and 200% of Ukrainian troops. I call BULSH!T again.

Russians are crapping themselves for the Ukraine counter-offensive.

Russia is still losing the war.
Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 31 May 2023 2:35:34 PM
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AC,

Your sources have claimed to destroy 400% of Ukrainian HIMARS systems, 200% of its planes and 200% of the Ukraine troops so once again I claim BULLSH!T are you really bad at maths?
Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 31 May 2023 2:47:14 PM
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You're swimming in your own bs mate.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 31 May 2023 3:24:06 PM
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Baldrick,

I've read the same Russian lies as you have, and you have quoted them.

Russia is losing this war and Putin will face war crimes court.
Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 31 May 2023 4:49:35 PM
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