The federal budget released on Tuesday included $1.9 billion in measures which Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney said would make a "practical difference".

It will be interesting to see if money fixes the isolated aboriginal health and education. Could the $364.6 million have been better spent in remote communities on housing and education? The money is taxpayer funds directed to a racial group that needs accountability of results, rather than posturing.

"The government has allocated $364.6 million for the referendum to enshrine an Indigenous voice in the constitution, including funding for the electoral commission, civics education and mental health support.

With smoking and vaping being a persistent health problem in Indigenous communities, a $141.2 million prevention program will be rolled out.

Cancer services targeted at First Nations people will get a $238.5 million boost."

This just shows what a gormless lot the Albanese government is. $30 billion a year has made no difference to people who are apparently incapable of helping themselves, and now a further 1/15th of that will be life-changing, according to the Minister of Aboriginal Handouts.

Voters must stand up to this racist nonsense. We can't do much about what money goes where, but we can make our feelings known by voting NO to that other sop to 3% of the population, the race-based Voice.

To be fair, how much of this money will go into Bureaudroid Superannuation ?

Jose',

The $364.6 million is over three years, and its not simply there "to enshrine an Indigenous voice in the constitution", a small component of that will be used to conduct the referendum later this year, $52.6 million over two years for the Australian Electoral Commission, the National Indigenous Australians Agency and the Attorney-General’s Department to begin preparatory work for the national vote. Not a lot when you think Morrison wasted over $5 billion as a sop to the French for upsetting them. There is $1.2 billion allocated to "closing the gap". Of course none of this pleases you, those of your political ilk see all expenditure on Aboriginal affairs as undeserving waste.

ABC maniac, Patricia Karvelas, has pronounced that the future will see descendants of aborigines "central to our nation".

That's right: 3% of the population identifying as blackfellas (with or without proof) will be 'central' to Australia. The 97% of us will be also-rans.

Another ABC genus, Dan Bourchier, backs this up saying that the Voice is 'wake up call for ALL Australians' (to commit cultural suicide, supposedly).

Nasty-as-ever, Laura Tingle, says that the Voice is a "truly transformational gift … if only we take it".

There cannot be a crazier place in the world than Australia these days - with the Albanese Marxist government, the ABC, and the dazed, beaten-down citizenry being bribed with their own money.

That light at the end of the tunnel is getting as dim as the people pushing this agenda for National suicide !

Towns and cities came about for a reason.
They are convenient and efficient.
All services can be concentrated in a small area.
Each service can be supportive of the others.
It becomes almost like one giant network.
It is easily accessible by all.
Having cities near the coast helps, so that there is easy trade with other countries.

Here we have small groups living out in the wild blue yonder.
They like the isolation?
They want to gaze across an unchanging land?
And yet they need or expect to have all modern services nearby.
And they expect those who live sensibly in or near cities to provide it.
Even though they themselves live so remotely.
The absudity of this beggars belief.
Time for them to join the real world?

They cannot rely upon the largesse of the city dwellers forever?
So over time their living conditions will worsen?
Eventually they could become extinct?
If this happens because they cannot, or will not, adjust to modern ways, that is nature doing its job.
But in the meantime, someone is trying to make us feel guilty about the way they choose to live.
We cannot live the life of another person for them.
And we most certainly cannot continue to pour so much money in to their 'cause'.
They themselves must make an effort to be part of the whole.

This means children going to school.
And not running around the streets at midnight.
It means adults working like anyone else.
Setting a good example for their family.
It means contributing to their local community.
And no more behaving like Oliver Twist.
He had little control over his situation.
Theirs is self inflicted.

Ipso Fatso,
Spot-on !

The NT is introducing a special Court and justice system for aboriginals. Remote Aboriginals have no sense of personal ownership and responsibility to the future [they do not save or store], they live for today. Hence their petty theft offending and their family violence.

"The NT budget, which also came out this week, allocated $15 million to implementing Aboriginal Justice Agreement commitments, including the establishment of Law and Justice Groups and Community Courts in six communities over the next two years. The new legislation will come into effect on July 1."

Remote Aboriginals have no sense of personal ownership and responsibility to the future [they do not save or store], they live for today
Josephus,
There are more non-indigenous in that category ! Will there be a Justice Agreement for them too ?

"Linda Burney said would make a "practical difference"." Repeating a sentence that every Minister for Aboriginal affairs has said for the last 60 years that I am aware of. These people have no idea of how the Aboriginal industry works. Look after family first, regardless of capabilities, then maybe an outsider may have a job until they rock the boat.
Just vote NO as a new bureaucracy will cost the country billions, give a few people highly paid jobs (educated ones with a possible dash of black) with all of the perks while the poor old genuine black-fellow will still sit under a gum tree as usual. Have seen it all before and the country does not need it now. Vote NO, NO, NO

Reading a piece by the ABC on the Voice states>

"Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples are not an homogenous group where one solution will fit all communities," the report states.
The Local Voices will engage with all levels of government: local, state and federal.
What will the Voice do?
The Voice aims to give Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people all around the country A SAY IN GOVERNMENT POLICY.
The referendum working group advising the government says the design of the Voice will be guided by the following principles:
• It will provide independent advice to parliament and government.
• It will be chosen by First Nations people based on the wishes of local communities.
• It will be representative of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities.
• It will be EMPOWERING, community-led, inclusive, respectful, culturally informed and gender balanced. It will also include youth.
• It will be accountable and transparent.
QUESTION -
A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice.

Do you approve this proposed alteration? YES / NO

However, the wording is not set in stone and could go through further changes when it is considered by parliament."

It is evident that no one knows the outcome.

If you do not know Vote NO.

Dear Ipso Facto,

So you would have been fully supportive of the McGowen's government decision to defund the School of the Air and very much against Gina Rinehart's strident defense of the service.

"GINA Rinehart — Australia’s richest person with a fortune of $19.2 billion — has blasted the McGowan Government’s decision to axe funding for the School of the Air as a “shameful attack” against Australian families in the bush.

In a scathing 700-word email sent to Premier Mark McGowan on Christmas Day, the mining and cattle magnate said the WA Government had “abandoned” the principles of equity and universal access “that have underpinned education in Australia”.

She said the decision — which the Government has claimed will save $14 million a year — “illustrates that it does not understand or care about our people in the bush or our remote communities, or indeed our pastoral and related industries”."

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/education/gina-rinehart-has-slammed-the-mcgowan-government-for-axing-funding-for-school-of-the-air-ng-b88701892z

Or does it really come down to the colour of their skin?

Ipso Facto, Steele does not understand that tribal aboriginal people who have lived on their land for 60,000 years and survived prefer to live without MODERN EDUCATION AND SERVICES. If they want services, they must move to where the services are provided. Those who move to the city or live remote but communicate with the services of School of the air for education and Flying Doctor are a different group.

Here is an example of Californians repatriating to Disadvantage.

"A group formally approved its final recommendations to the California Legislature last weekend - The task force approved its final recommendations last week for reparations payments of a minimum of $360,000 for black Californians
California's reparations task force has said that black people should be given priority in the renting and buying market - and demanded that a state agency should have the veto power over real estate decisions to 'lessen racial segregation.'

The task force was created to study the economic effects of slavery and discrimination in the state back in September 2020, making California the first state to embark on studying the possibility of reparations for black Americans — even though slavery was banned in California even before it joined the union."

Repatriations is part of Closing the Gap

Josephus,

You really are very busy being a racist little twat aren't you.

So "a different group" you claim, and that they all "prefer to live without MODERN EDUCATION AND SERVICES".

What a crock. You spin these narratives in an attempt to give a modicum of legitimacy to your toxic views. Well it really doesn't work.

And if reparations are part of closing the gap then so bloody be it.

From DNA research - "We all come from that one mother in East Africa 150,000 years ago. She may be the biblical Eve, or she may have evolved from primates and Neanderthals. It really doesn't matter if you embrace her in faith, or in science, but by accepting her and learning about human history and how we have adapted in the past 7000 generations we might begin to realize that we literally are one human family. And in that realization we might begin the slow and painful process of reconciliation and learn to accept and embrace our physical differences".

Repatriations is part of Closing the Gap
Josephus,
The dilemma with this is that those who bleat about this gap not getting closed, are the very ones fighting to keep it open because that’s the platform that enables them to perpetuate their dreadful insincerity & hipocrisy !
Closing that gap would make them nothings !

Indy,

The only pair that need to be REPATRIATED is YOU, back to whence you came, and the Good Ole' Boy from Alabama, Jose'.

The current 52% approval from people wanting to seem 'nice' without having a clue what this change to the Constitution actually means is not a very robust figure, when a majority of people in a majority of states would have to vote yes.

Paul, you should seek counselling.

Going to a meeting tomorrow night, with the guest speaker giving a talk on the treatment of Aboriginals in colonial times. Should be interesting.

Jose'

You said; "Repatriations is part of Closing the Gap" Steele commented; "And if reparations are part of closing the gap then so bloody be it." Which I totally agree with.

Then Indy seems to favour some kind of repatriation of Aboriginal people, he said; Repatriations is part of Closing the Gap. The best estimate is the ancestors of today's Aboriginals originated somewhere around Central India, about 100,000 years ago. I suppose sending the off to Central India, might close the gap, well at least they would be out of sight. As for you and Indy a bit of repatriation back to the old country would do Australia the world of good.

Paul1405,
Why not talk about treatment of Aborigines today ?
Everyone already knows about the dreadful past but hardly anyone knows
about excesses of good will today ! And, no inventing or pontificating of atrocities required.

Hi Indy and Steele,

Indy you asked;
Why not talk about treatment of Aborigines today ? Yes by all means, that's important, but we also need to understand history and how it has lead to today's situation.

I attended that meeting on Thursday night where the guest speaker was a well publish historian on Aboriginal life under colonial rule in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. His talk concentrated on the actions of government, European settlers and Aboriginals, he spoke in detail for an hour, taking question after, about the various police forces which were formed by government to deal with the "problem of Aboriginals and their impact on European settlement", he spoke about the action taken, both official and unofficial, his talk centred around northern NSW and southern Queensland including the 'Native Police', which incidentally was the most terrifying at dealing with the indigenous people. The speaker was extremely knowledgeable, and gave accounts of people and incidents that took place, what was the motivation behind government policy both the official policy, and the unspoken genocidal policy, and that's what it was, genocide plain and simple. He spoke of what was the final outcome and how it impacts the make up of modern Australian society. Indy you may ask; "was he a "black fella", no, an eminent historian, not a politician or an black activists, or any of those others you like to demonise, just a well versed historian telling the story from an historical viewpoint. And as he stressed; "I'm not here to flog my new book". At the end during the tea and bikky time I was able to have a short chat about the politics of the subject, me saying you stressed you were not speaking from a political standpoint, but rather an historical perspective. He said, yes but its not easy not to be political when it was very political both then and now.

Paul, who was the historian? I lived in Northern NSW from the 1940s till 1960s and played among aboriginal children. The problem was alcohol use in the family, and the police treated them the same as any drunk. It was just their behaviour was uncontrollable when drunk, and the police in those days used force and you respected them.

Jose'

I will not give a name, but I will give you a piece from a review of his earlier book;

"has done a remarkable job in bringing this frontier so graphically back to life in the light of concerted efforts to suppress such stories. As he shows, even colonial governments took a large hand in the task of suppression and it takes quite an effort of reconstructive ingenuity to piece the broken pieces of the puzzle back together again. He has managed this with remarkable persistence, a capacity to follow up on tiny clues and an understanding of motivation and reaction based not only upon an historical sensibility but also on a strong grasp of social psychology. I like his personal interpolations into the story and his use of psychology to speculate upon the effects of massacres on people, not simply to record that certain massacres actually occurred. Further; this book gives us another story of valiant though thwarted Aboriginal resistance."

"Colonial times" was central to the talk, the 19th and early part of the 20th century, not the 1940s - 1960s you refer to; "police in those days used force" The actions of Boarder and Native police along with other enforcement units is central to what took place. Native police were well trained Aboriginals under European command. Their primary roll was the subjugation of other Aboriginals by all necessary means, even murder.

So, his name must be protected because his stories are his opinions and cannot be tested. He authors books and lectures for profit.

Proud Boy Jose'

Considering your forum record of extreme racists bigotry I see no point in accommodating your demands. From behind your cloak of anonymousness you would simply attack and denigrate an eminent historian who would be in no position to defend himself. Besides I didn't address you in the first instance, you simply threw in your 2 cent worth, and I couldn't care less what you think.

Paul1405,
What you perpetually bleat as racism, isn’t racism at all. It’s a mere drawing attention to your hypocritical hatred for those who you live off !

Hi Indy,

One sign of a racists, he will continually tell negative anecdotal stories about individual members of a particular race, often based on hearsay from a third party. The hope is that the reader or listener will extrapolate and link that negativity to all within that race. Indy you would be quite familiar with your; "I know a bloke, yuda, yada, yada...",stories about Aboriginals behaving badly. Jose is a classic, I made reference to historical events of the 19th and early 20th centuries, the bloke couldn't help himself had to chime in with his own bit of negativity about drunken Aboriginals in Northern NSW 1940-1960. BTw he was playing with them for upwards of 30 years, so he said, maybe he was.

You'll like this one; On Friday, had a chap, rather excited and verbally aggressive, either off his meds, or on something, demanding a cuppa tea and shouting "I'm the real Australian, I only want a f@#%$en cup of tea from you bastards"... a reassuring chat, a cuppa, and a little bag of goodies, he quietens down and he's on his way, He's not typical by any stretch, but he has problems, far more than you and I, and that's to be understood, he's not to be condemned. BTW all those kinds of instances are recorded for records.

Professor John Maynard's strong family connections in the Aboriginal rights movement inspired his research.

Gary Presland is an archaeologist and historian, with long-standing research interests in the pre-contact Indigenous culture, and natural history, of the Melbourne area. He has written extensively on these topics over the past 40 years. He is a Fellow of the Royal Historical Society of Victoria and an Honorary Fellow in the School of Geography at University of Melbourne.

Emeritus Professor Richard Broome at La Trobe University.

Gary Foley was born in Grafton (1950), northern NSW of Gumbainggir descent. Expelled from school aged 15, Foley came to Sydney as an apprentice draughtsperson.

Since then he has been at the centre of major political activities including the:

Springbok tour demonstrations (1971)
Tent Embassy in Canberra (1972)
Commonwealth Games protest (1982)
protests during the bicentennial celebrations (1988).
Foley was involved in the establishment of the first Aboriginal self-help and survival organisations including:

Redfern’s Aboriginal Legal Service
Aboriginal Health Service in Melbourne
National Black Theatre.
In 1974 he was part of an Aboriginal delegation that toured China and in 1978 he took films on black Australia to the Cannes Film festival.

Foley has been:

a director of the Victorian Aboriginal Health Service (1981), Aboriginal Arts Board (1983-86) and Aboriginal Medical Service Redfern (1988)
senior lecturer at Swinburne College
consultant to the Royal Commission into Black Deaths in Custody (1988)
board member of the Aboriginal Legal Service
on the national executive of the National Coalition of Aboriginal Organisations.

Jose,

What is your point, don't know what you are getting at with those Named, anyone the least bit familiar with the Aboriginal struggle over recent decades would recognise the name of a great Australian, Gary Foley. Now we know more about Gary Foley than Proud Boy Jose, who snipes and disparages Aboriginal people from behind his cloak of anonymity.

Paul1405,
It goes without saying that there are bogans either side of the fence. If I as a Caucasian say about another Caucasian that he is an outright ar$e of a character then I’d get accused of being anything but racist. Were I do say the same about a non-Caucasian I’d be branded Racist in an instant even when right about their character. We have to be honest & call people out when they fail as this might make them think twice next time they behave badly or unfairly without justification !

Gary Foley is an aboriginal activist and has his own view of history. He will be one advocating for aboriginal sovereignty and the removal of the Crown. He protested apartheid in South Africa yet wants it introduced into Australia with the Voice. I moved to do High school at Macksville in the 1950s and the river settlement at Nambucca River was a large aboriginal settlement.

Worth a read - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Foley#Activism_and_politics

Foley became involved in the "black power" movement active in Redfern soon after arrival. The movement was inspired by the American Black Panther Party. Lydia Thorpe uses the Black power ideology also.

'Foley played an active role in organising protests against the Springboks in 1971 as a result of the Apartheid policies in South Africa. At one stage, Foley and fellow protester Billy Craigie were arrested for wearing Springbok jerseys outside the team motel in Bondi Junction with the police believing they had been stolen when they had been supplied by former Wallabies player".

The Springboks closed his protests down with gifts

Indy,

In our society with its demands there are "bogans either side of the fence", societies failures, yes some are Aboriginal, some are European, and some are other, I see them every week. It doesn't matter about their race, what matters is how we deal with these people. Some demand a heavy handed punitive approach of punishment, others like me believe in a more compassionate approach. I believe we need to do more to try and prevent people from falling into the trap of failure.

Add to the "Budget for aboriginal" the now running TV ads for the race-based assault on the Australian Constitution.

Jose'

You claimed Dud Dutton was upholding a Liberal Party principal of "equality for all". Was not the racists rugby tour by white South Africans endorsed by Liberal Party governments in 1971? Maybe you should amend what you said to; Dud Dutton was upholding a Liberal Party principle of, "equality for all WHITE PEOPLE", and that would also be a stretch. I did ask you when did the Liberal Party first embraced their new found principle of "equality for all", certainly wasn't in vogue in 1971. Wasn't it the Liberal Party minister who said he supported bigots, that was only a few years back. Maybe the equality for all is a recent innovation in Liberal Party philosophy. Then again Dud Dutton could just be an out and out racists, we don't know, do we!

You said; "police believing they had been stolen", why did they believe that Jose'? I'm sure they don't suspect everyone wearing a football jumper as having stolen it, there would be mass arrests every weekend if that was the case. Wouldn't have anything to do with the fact the wearers were BLACK, walking about in an affluent white part of town, Bondi Junction, would it?

The Aboriginal settlement at Nambucca River, what was the housing like? Did they have central heating, possibly not, air conditioning, no, maybe electricity, surely not, water, sanitation, roads. I'm sure you white folks had many of those comforts in your comfortable houses in town.

BTW Lydia Thorpe and you are bedfellows, she like you says she is going to vote No

Paul, in the 1940s we had kerosene heaters, methylated pump-up lanterns, wood stoves and it was my job to dig and empty the latrines on the farm. What the river settlement had was basic housing on the Nambucca riverbank, fresh fish and crabs and oysters, they rarely attended school. Gathering food from the tidal river was their life.

Because you are a member of the Greens who want Marxist racism imposed into our constitution by the Voice. You believe equality means everyone gets the same, by distributing the earnings of those who work hard equally with the loafers.

Paul it is obvious you know nothing of the Great Nelson Mandella who supported the Springbok team.

I'm sure you white folks had many of those comforts in your comfortable houses in town.
Paul1405,
I’m sure that those white folks with money & those whom they employed, worked towards having a roof over their heads as soon as they could. They didn’t wait thousands of years waiting for some invaders to do it all for them !

Jose'

Your ignorance astounds me when you said; "Because you (Paul1405) are a member of the Greens who want Marxist racism imposed into our constitution by the Voice. You believe equality means everyone gets the same, by distributing the earnings of those who work hard equally with the loafers."

The Greens are not Marxist, obviously you are clueless as to what is Marxism, its principles, practices and objectives. Even Marxist don't believe "everyone gets the same etc" they basically believe everyone gets according to their needs, there is a difference.

Your pathetic sanitised version of history, with a false picture of Aboriginals life on the banks of rivers like the Nambucca. Its well documented that Aboriginal people were marginalised and woefully discriminated against by the elite white society of the day. Forced to live in appalling conditions in humpies of rusted iron, on places like river banks, well away from the white community, in what you call "basic housing". With worse than third world living conditions, with the highest infant mortality rate in the world, shortened life expectancy due to early onset of preventable diseases and excessive alcohol abuse, and all you can say is, "fresh fish and crabs and oysters".

You try to intimate with an absurd reference to the Springbok rugby team, that Nelson Mandela in some perverted way supported the 1971 raciest rugby tour of Australia by the white only South Africans. In 1971 Mandela was being falsely incarcerated by the white apartheid regime, hardly a time to sing the praises of the countries racists rugby team. What Mandela did do, was in a speech after South Africa had won the 1995 World Rugby Cup, with a fully integrated team of both black and white, describe rugby as now (post 1991) being a unifying force for the people of South Africa, where as in the past rugby had been a divisive cancer for the country. GET IT RIGHT.

From the Marxist review of the Greens Party.
"The anti-corporate radicalisation in the following years had a further impact on the party. In 1996 Bob Brown’s Tasmanian Greens had propped up a pro-business Liberal minority government. Four years later, Brown and several other Green MPs joined the “Green Bloc” at the S11 anti-corporate protest against the World Economic Forum at Melbourne’s Crown Casino. Thousands of young people were getting involved in politics; a new mood of anti-capitalism was taking hold. The demonstration was a political turning point, with tens of thousands of protesters managing to successfully blockade the event. A new left was being born and the Greens were attempting to relate to it. Where the establishment and the mainstream parties denounced the protesters, the Greens praised them."

Jose'

Trying to rake up what you can, now quoting from the "Socialist Alternative". A self claimed revolutionary organisation, whose stated aim is; "to engage with theoretical and political debates on the Australian and International left." Nothing creditable from that mob.

I already exposed your hog wash about everything from your claims of an idyllic lifestyle for Aboriginal people on the Nambucca River, to your false claims that Nelson Mandela supported racists rugby in South Africa.

As Steele said about you; "You spin these narratives in an attempt to give a modicum of legitimacy to your toxic views. Well it really doesn't work." I must agree!

Paul, I made no claim of an Idyllic lifestyle for aboriginals, it was a life they preferred to live, not by Western standards, as you try to compare. They did not see the need for education and higher standards of living which you believe we have robbed from them.

Jose,

You say; "it was a life they preferred to live", so you know for a fact they (Aboriginal people) preferred a shortened life expectancy, and a higher infant mortality from preventable diseases. No, you rationalise that by "believing" aboriginal people are simple folk who are contented to accept all that life throws at them, because of their limited mental capacity. All your guff is just so "Christian" of you.

BTW, How many Aboriginal people chose to leave the river bank and move into town, right next door to you. Oh, that's right they were so contented non would choose suck a life as being accepted with open arms by the white community. You are a crack up!

When I lived in Urunga NSW there was an aboriginal family who lived behind us who we as children played with. In fact, one boy Andy Boney was an exceptionally good athlete and always won at school athletics.
http://brucesanders.wordpress.com/tag/urunga/
Here is another family who knew and played with the Boney family.
http://www.facebook.com/secondthirdpioneers/photos/a.117848364907123/2504326029592666/?type=3
This period was after my contact with Andy as I knew him as a child. He was full blood and a great person equal to any of us his mates.

BTW, How many Aboriginal people chose to leave the river bank and move into town, right next door to you.
Paul1405,
The very moment young indigenous get sent to private schools in the South, 99% of them grab every possible opportunity to stay in the larger towns. And, if the money to travel is not provided for some reason, some commit a petty crime to ensure they get to spend their initiation in some jail.
The ones who score a token quota position in the Public Service, usually find life in the city more exiting.
Those who find actual meaningful employment are the ones who return home whenever possible.

Jose'

The tactic of taking one specific instance or example, and then trying to extrapolate that to imply all is so, is typical of those who mitigate and minimise, the typical racists, all with the aim of painting a false picture of the reality. You made a claim that Aboriginal people living in squalor on river banks found it acceptable, yet all you offer as evidence is a reference to one specific chap in Mr Andy Boney, I dare say Mr Boney was discriminated against in both the army, and later in the town he lived. How quaint that the newspaper article makes several reference to "coloured people", the same article written about Europeans organising a dance for themselves would not make reference to "white people", now would it.

As I've said before on this forum, many racists don't perceive themselves as being racists, not all racists are haters, in fact many are kind and even loving towards those they discriminate against. The racists will never accept the other as being their equal, they will always set them apart from themselves.

In your town in those years, how much social interaction was there between white and black, was there organised events where whites and blacks came together as social equals, I would say not.

You like these little anecdotal stories to make a point, here one for you;

"In 1965, Charles Perkins and his fellow Sydney University students ran the gauntlet of booing, fruit-throwing residents to take a group of Indigenous children for a swim in the Moree town pool."

In your day Jose', providing Aboriginal people knew and kept their place in society Europeans were willing to accommodate them, be it as inferiors to themselves, but acceptable none the less. It was only when Indigenous folk like Charles Perkins started to protest the discriminatory situation that some whites became extremely hostile, and resisted the call for Aboriginal equality. YOU are bloody well doing the same thing with the Voice today!

Paul, I could not be bothered answering your bigoted racist trolling. In my childhood we all mixed well and skin colour was not an issue as you make it out to be.

okay Jose'

A simple question, how often were dances held in your town where white and black came together as social equals? Enjoying each others company, maybe a black man met his future white wife at such a social event, you never know.

I think Paul1405 is an outcast & this is his way to try to recoup his lost credibility with those who are not as devoid of integrity as he is !

Nah Indy,

I'm not an "outcast", I'm a CONCRETE JUNGLE BUNNY you said so yourself.

Proud Boy Jose'

How many social events was there in your town where black and white came together as equals. Maybe you white fellas went down to the blacks camp on the river bank now and then for a BBQ or square dance, or some such thing. Back in ya fathers and grandpas day, they would have just gone down and raped the Aboriginal women, was that the sort of getting together social event you were familiar with? Hummmmm.

Paul1405,
Nah, your interpretation of Jungle Bunny is different to what I meant so, that's that !
My bet is that I have been to way more gatherings with indigenous than you could ever dream of nor will you be likely to ever being grabbed by the family je..ls & asked "give me w...e b..y".

Thanks for starting this thread Josephus. Obviously sometimes we need to have ethnically based policies because different ethnicities have different needs- and they want to set the terms of their own future as an ethnic unit- but at some point you need to ask if they can live on the same land or should there be an autonomous separation so that they can live without conflict. Having ones own land gives them an ability to determine their own destiny- have their own institutions that represent their own interest- on both the white and the aboriginal side. If aboriginal people don't like the way they are being governed- they could govern themselves- on their own land- and then they can't complaint about the results. Somebody recently indicated that aboriginals already control 51% of the land in Australia- concerning if true. I think the communists are racists and genocidal against Anglo people- they don't believe in Anglo rights to control their own land. Every ethnicity needs land to control their own future- those without their own land will be destroyed- Anglos need their own land too- to create their own rules for the benefit of themselves- but Communists seem to want Anglos destroyed.

Perhaps the racist mass destruction of native languages can be blamed on Communists. Communists are responsible for their own fascist interference.

I'm concerned however that aboriginal communities are not sustainable because aboriginal communities often don't seem to want to manage themselves but Anglo people don't want to manage them either and Anglo people have their own financial responsibilities within their own culture. They just seem to want to drink their lives away at Anglo tab- in order for a community to be sustainable it needs to produce as well as consume

Quoted. "Anthony Albanese’s pitch to Australians for months has been that they should vote for his voice because it will be an important “but modest change”. Only the cat is now out of the bag with his comments in a speech to Indigenous leaders this week declaring “let this be no modest change”.
In the clearest sign yet of what will come, all Australians need to look at the enormous Aboriginal heritage changes about to roll out across Western Australia from July 1. What’s more, these changes will create a whole new land-use approvals regime that circumvents elected officials and subjects the rights of private property owners to Aboriginal heritage assessment.
Especially since the May 2020 destruction of the cave at Juukan Gorge that had been a site of human habitation for more than 40,000 years, Western Australia has been grappling with how better to protect Aboriginal heritage without obstructing reasonable development. The result is the Aboriginal Cultural Heritage Act, which will start to come into effect next month.
Many of the practices and procedures under this act are still being finalised, but it’s already clear that for most significant developments – instead of applying to local, state and possibly federal governments for approval – there will soon be an additional requirement to have approval from relevant Aboriginal bodies".

Aboriginal Dictatorship of Australia is what a Yes vote will bring & ultimately result in Anarchy !

Dear Indyvidual,

What it this bunkum? "Aboriginal Dictatorship of Australia is what a Yes vote will bring & ultimately result in Anarchy !"

God strewth mate, is that what you are really contending?

This really has come down to a fear that somehow this may impact you in some small way hasn't it.

How utterly pathetic. How about you think about others for just the briefest moment. Our indigenous feel this small change, a non-binding Voice, is important to them and they are asking for it to happen.

For you to blow this up like you have is direct racism.

Get a bloody grip.

Steeleredux,
You'd better go out & talk to some of these so-called "indigenous" activists and, yes I mean those self-proclaimed white ones before you do a Paul1405 & bleating Racism at every opportunity !
I can accept that you have no experience in that field but please do not jump into the deep end with people who do !
Only today I spoke with a bloke who is a self-called "Half-Cast" & he agrees with me on this.
The real problem with the Voice is that it is not a wholly Indigenous Voice with the well-being of Australian indigenous in mind !
It's a Govt funding teat ready to be sucked on by a massive horde of non-indigenous !

"For you to blow this up like you have is direct racism." Indyvidual you're well known for pressing the race button at every opportunity. Steele tagged you for what you are.

The only aboriginals who should have a real Voice are the full blood. Half castes are not speaking for full bloods. Half castes have a hope in gaining power in government and have another culture and ambition.

Dear Indyvidual,

You say: "It's a Govt funding teat ready to be sucked on by a massive horde of non-indigenous !"

Tell me how that is going to occur with a body which will have no funds to distribute.

You are just pulling little mantras out of your backside and thinking they are even the slightest bit relevant to the topic. They aren't and your dog whistling is just pathetic.

Give it a miss.

how that is going to occur with a body which will have no funds to distribute
SteeleRedux,
Ha Ha, very funny but don't give up your day job to become a comedian !

A sign of a true racists is seen in those who like to refer to "half casts" and "full bloods". You'll not hear them speak of a "half cast European" etc. There refer to Aboriginals in the same way as their bigoted grandfathers did in the 1930's.

Indy, I suppose you believe all that dosh will be going to us "Concrete Jungle Bunnies". I see another one of your little, I know a bloke stories again; "Only today I spoke with a bloke who is a self-called "Half-Cast" & he agrees with me" Did ya give him the 'Dulux' colour chart test you are fond of to determine his bona-fidies?

Paul and Steele,
The Voice will accomodate the NIAA who have last year a budget $4.5 Billion of tax payer funds and a large portion went to pseudo companies that had some persons who identified as aboriginals.
http://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/not-fully-fit-for-purpose-anao-finds-major-issues-with-how-the-national-indigenous-australians-agency-handles-fraud/news-story/48dccd75b42d4056dc4a5e3cee7159ee

I suppose you believe all that dosh will be going to us "Concrete Jungle Bunnies".
Paul1405.
Well, since you're openly calling yourself one then yes I suppose that includes you !

The aboriginals who have advanced the Voice are those that already have a lifestyle equivalent to the average citizen or above. They do not need a Voice as many of them are interracial and have a non aboriginal voice.
Linda Burney being one already has a voice in Government for which she receives an income above the average. Her main source of income is from her primary work as a politician. Linda Burney’s average salary per month and other career earnings are over $400,000 dollars annually.
DOES SHE NEED A VOICE IN THE CONSTUTION?

It is worth a look at the lifestyle and income of the elite pushing the Voice. Noel Pearson would be one of 20 members of the Senior Advisory Group to help co-design the Indigenous voice to government set up by Ken Wyatt, the Minister for Indigenous Australians. The Group is co-chaired by Wyatt, Marcia Langton and Tom Calma.

Noel Pearson net worth $1.400,000 he is average in the population.

Ken Wyatt His main source of income is from his primary work as a former politician. His average salary per month and other career earnings are over $400,000 dollars annually.

Marcia Langton Redmond Barry Distinguished Professor
Melbourne School of Population and Global Health

Thomas Edwin Calma, AO FAA FASSA (born 1953), is an Aboriginal Australian human rights and social justice campaigner, and 2023 senior Australian of the Year. He is the sixth chancellor of the University of Canberra, a post held since January 2014, after two years as deputy chancellor.

Do these people need a Voice because of their disadvantage?

Paul1405 said- A sign of a true racists is seen in those who like to refer to "half casts" and "full bloods". You'll not hear them speak of a "half cast European" etc. There refer to Aboriginals in the same way as their bigoted grandfathers did in the 1930's.

Answer- I suppose that Paul1405 isn't big on integrity or defining terms. Interesting that those on the Communist side of politics don't have the same opinion when it comes to industry self regulation.

It seems that Paul1405 doesn't only hate us- he also hates our grandparents- one suspects that he thinks our whole ethnicity should be wiped from the face of the Earth.

CM,

To clear up a misconception of yours, I don't hate anyone including you, so your statement; "It seems that Paul1405 doesn't only hate us- he also hates our grandparents" is false. I said "grandfathers" (not grandparents) in a metaphorical sense, not in the literal sense, just as you might say; "Back in grandpas day", not referring to a particular person, but a period of time.

However, if you class yourself as a bigoted racists, and believe I would hate you for being so, that's your choice to feel that way

It seems that Paul1405 doesn't only hate us-
Canem Malum,
He actually can hate us only about 2% as that is his whole indigenous component from what I gather from his posts !

Indy,

You seem to be obsessed with racial purity, wanting to label people according to their genetic makeup. You have "worked out" I'm 2% Aboriginal, okay if that's what you believe. I assume you are blond haired, blue eyed of the Germanic race, possibly 100% Aryan. hummmm?

label people according to their genetic makeup
Paul1405,
I don't 'label' others, I regard them as they present themselves to me. The Australian indigenous are 'labelling' themselves at every moment & turn !
There are more puritans found among non-caucasians who are way more intolerant than 99% of Caucasians.
What you & your ilk are rather conveniently and, hypocritically I might add, fail to to not include in your arguments regarding everything is that it all comes down to individual & combined effort to keep the ball rolling. You are simply trying to get out of your natural responsibilities & simply blame blameless people for your lack of self control !