Paul your ignorance is showing learn historical facts as it was Tony Abott who did the most for aboriginal recoginition.

Jose'

"Tony Abott (sic) who did the most for aboriginal recoginition (sic)" He did? And what was that, and what did Menzies and co do? Oh yes, they allowed the referendum in 67', then did precisely nothing, kept Aboriginal people in appealing conditions, sleeping under rusted iron on river banks. or in substandard housing in the bush, spending almost noting on aboriginal health, housing, employment, education etc, not until Whitlam arrived in 72' did things start to change. Fraser, Howard, the recent 'Noalition' governments did little to improve the lot of Aboriginal people.

Paul,

Other than the virtue signalling apology, Labor has done stuff for the indigenous population and is directly responsible for the chaos in Alice.

"Support for ‘The Voice’ has dropped across Australia in all six States over the last four months and after Liberal Party Leader Peter Dutton announced the party would formally advocate for a ‘No’ vote in the forthcoming referendum due later this year.

The survey was conducted before the Coalition’s shadow ministry reshuffle this week which led to the promotion of two Aboriginal women, Senator Jacinta Nampijina Price and Senator Kerrynne Liddle, into the shadow ministry including Senator Price as Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australians.

Now a plurality of 46% of Australians (down 7% points since December 2022) would vote ‘Yes’ to establish an ‘Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice to Parliament’, compared to 39% (up 9% points) who would vote ‘No’ and a further 15% (down 2% points) are undecided.

If the ‘Undecided’ respondents are removed the split in favour of the ‘Yes’ vote is 54% cf. 46%. However, past experience shows that ‘Undecided’ voters are far more likely to end up as a ‘No’ rather than a ‘Yes’ vote. This trend has been observed even over the last few months as ALP and Greens supporters who were ‘Undecided’ have been far more likely to move to the ‘No’ vote rather than becoming a ‘Yes’ vote."

Albozo's constitutional racism vote is looking like failing.

"Fraser, Howard, the recent 'Noalition' governments did little to improve the lot of Aboriginal people."

As usual Paul images the way things might have been and then convinces himself that is indeed the way they were.

Facts (Paul might need to look that word up) are as follows:

*Funding for natives did increase dramatically during the Whitlam years.
* But as the economy crashed due to ALP mismanagement, funding started to fall.
* The increase in funding restarted under Fraser.
* the increase continued under Hawke at roughly the same rate as the increase under Fraser.
* Funding dipped under Keating as ALP mismanagement cratered the economy.
* Funding continued to increase under Howard at the same rates as applied to Fraser and Hawke.
* Funding collapsed under Rudd as the economy crashed (not his fault).
*Funding increased under St Julia and continued to increase under Abbott/Turnbull/Morrison.

According to figures supplied by Warren Mundine (should I point out he's aboriginal?) Productivity Commission figures show that, across all levels of government, Australian governments spending 2.08 times more on those claiming to be aboriginal than on other citizens.

Not quite the picture Paul imagines

mhaze,

I'm not disputing "funding" but funding alone does not necessarily equate to improvement in the lot of Aboriginal people. After all it was starting from a very low base, sorry non existent base under Menzies, Hold, Gorton and McMahon, these guys all at some time supported the racists White Australia policy so did Fraser. You're talking funding, I'm talking improvement.

Warren Mundine (should I point out he's aboriginal?) should I point out he's a member of the Liberal Party.

SM,

The Voice may not get up, referendums are notorious at failing, and without bipartisan support its exceedingly difficult. I would say all 3 people who voted for the Liberal Party at the last election, are likely to vote 'No' to this.

" Menzies, Hold (sic), Gorton and McMahon, these guys all at some time supported the racists White Australia policy so did Fraser."

As did Calwell ("two Wongs don't make a white"), Curtin and Chifley. What's you point?

"You're talking funding, I'm talking improvement."

How are you measuring improvement and what evidence do you have that it only improved under ALP leadership?