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Is It Time For Trump To Face Justice?

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"No, but you can orchestrate things so it is so."

Oh, so Putin is just a dupe of the yanks?

"Sounds more American than Chinese."

Well it is the Chinese who are proposing to conquer Taiwan and this is the major area of dispute and uncertainty in the Pacific these days. If China were to announce tomorrow that they weren't going to go after Taiwan (and backed that with actual de-escalation) the "drive to war" of which you complain would evaporate.

Its a strange world you inhabit. The aggressor is the victim and the victim is the villain.
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 9 May 2023 9:14:43 AM
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mhaze,

America, Australia, etc etc recognise only one China. Taiwan is recognised as part of China, how do you conquer yourself?

With the mainland all Communist now, should America intervene militarily so the only remaining democracy, the island of Tasmania, be set free from the communist yoke.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 9 May 2023 9:43:51 AM
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Oh come on Paul...the One China Policy doesn't mean that we think Taiwan is part of China. It just means that we agree to have diplomatic relations we just one China - currently the PRC.

Just because the CCP says Taiwan belongs to it doesn't make it so, although given that you always side with the totalitarians, its not surprising that you fall in line with the CCP claims. What's next? Faithful acceptance of the 9 dashes line?

Even so, all this is a side-show. You claim to want peace in the region and not have a war over Taiwan. Well the path to that is having the CCP no longer threaten the island. Any war there will be precipitated by a Chinese invasion.

OTOH, I suspect that what you really mean when you claim to want peace, is that everyone should just give the CCP whatever it demands.

"there is only one guaranteed way you can have peace — and you can have it in the next second — surrender." Reagan - A Time for Choosing.
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 9 May 2023 10:46:53 AM
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mhaze,

Since it been over 70 years, I support the notion of self determination for the Taiwanese people, not withstanding the fact it has been a part of China for millennia. Unfortunately both the US government and the CCP are unwilling to allow a free and independent Taiwan to exists. The US see it a useful point of provocation against the mainland, and the mainland wish to exert sovereignty over Taiwan, and fear US incursion so near if Taiwan became so called independent.

Incidentally, I have a good friend in Sydney who is Taiwanese, she is very concerned about her family back home and the dangers they face.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 9 May 2023 3:16:53 PM
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"not withstanding the fact it has been a part of China for millennia."

Nup. In fact the island was only under Chinese government control for a 200 yr period which ended in 1895. Its just CCP propaganda to claim that its always been part of China, the same historically inaccurate claims they make for Tibet and Xinjiang.

Taiwan is only an issue because of the CCP desires to conquer it. If they were to renounce all claims on the island, it would cease to be an international issue. Indeed if the CCP ceased threatening its various neighbours (Vietnam, Philippines, Japan, South Korea etc) there is every chance the US western Pacific alliance structure would unravel. That is, it only exists to oppose CCP expansionism.
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 9 May 2023 4:29:45 PM
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mhaze,
Here I was reading your "There's only one reason Trump will be charged in relation to J6..." and I thought geez this commenters making sense, I agree, until you got down to the Ukraine and China rabble, and the back wheels slid out and you were all over the place, lost control and crashed; and Paul had to try and talk some sense into you.

Couldn't be bothered getting into all the back and forth.

Meh.
The US is unwilling to allow a free and independent Hawaii as well but who cares about small nuances..

The US is going to have to accept it does not rule the entire world and it cannot do as it pleases.

America could still come back from the ashes it's heading towards, for starters if it focused on nation building (it's own) and not nation wrecking (everyone elses)

America needs high speed rail across the continental United states and it would be a step towards competing with others instead of knocking anyone down (as a matter of standard warmongering policy) who may rival it.

With half of Americas 4800 banks being close to insolvent they aren't doing so well.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 9 May 2023 7:20:06 PM
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