With four of his most fanatical supporters found guilty of sedition, is it about time Donald Trump was called in to face the music in relation to 6th January 2021 riots, and the attempted overthrow of the "democratically" election government. America claims it prides itself on justice for all, this is an opportunity for the so called land of the free to demonstrate true justice for all, even for an ex-president, or will they simply cut and run, locking up a few radical screw-balls like these fellas on the way.

"Four members of the far-right "Proud Boys" have been convicted for their role in the 2021 Capitol riot, but their lawyers have placed blame on Donald Trump saying he urged them to march on Washington." ABC News.

There's only one reason Trump will be bought up on what are clearly false charges.....

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/05/trump-crushing-biden-and-desantis-in-new-wapo-abc-news-poll/

It's a Trump witchhunt by the deep state, this same old tired bs has been going on since before he was elected with accusations he was pissed on by Russian prostitutes.
- Which was Hillary Clintons shiteshow.
Trump doesn't fall into line with US policy of endless wars and foreign entanglements.
I've already shown you before that there were FBI provocateurs encouraging the protestors on January 6 Paul.

Hi AC,

I'm not a fan of Trump or American politics, nor a fan of violence, so I don't condone the mob's action Jan 6th. I certainly find what you say interesting and entirely possible. Biden is exactly what the American Military–industrial complex requires, he is gung-ho to the boot straps, no doubt about that. You and others, along with my own reading has convinced me the war in Ukraine is an American invention and they are prosecuting that war by proxy. Conflict with China is completely avoidable, yet America insists on destabilisation of theirs and ours relationship with them, and as a consequence a drive to war with China in unfortunately highly likely.

p/s With the number of Trumpsters on the Forum, I thought they would go all out to defend their man Donald, but seems not.

There's only one reason Trump will be charged in relation to J6 and that is to try to tie him up in legal rope as the election approaches. Currently Trump is highly favoured to win the GOP nomination and somewhat favoured to defeat Slow Joe in the actual poll.

The deep state and its allies are terrified of a second Trump presidency and are prepared to tear down the rule of law to prevent it.

But there is nothing to convict Trump on as regards J6. The most recent evidence shows that the FBI was involved in hyping the move into the Capitol building and the Carlson tapes show that the people were largely ushered into the building by the authorities. Attorney-General Bill Barr called it a clown show and "Anyone who thinks the republic was in serious danger on January 6 is out of touch."

Equally there is video of Trump specifically telling his supporters to act peacefully. There's no case to answer but that doesn't mean the deep state/Democrats won't try to make one.

"Trump doesn't fall into line with US policy of endless wars and foreign entanglements."

No new wars were started during the Trump presidency. Ukraine wouldn't have happened had he been in charge. Trump's America First policy is hated by the ruling elite in Washington as well as Berlin, Brussels, Paris and London. They're all in favour of American working class blood being spilt to protect their phoney=baloney jobs... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgF_hP4GO_Q

" the war in Ukraine is an American invention"

Would it be churlish to point out that no one forced Putin to invade.

"Conflict with China is completely avoidable"

Would it be churlish to point out that its avoidable if China stops trying to conquer other nations.

mhaze,

"Would it be churlish to point out that no one forced Putin to invade."

No, but you can orchestrate things so it is so.

"Would it be churlish to point out that its avoidable if China stops trying to conquer other nations."

I don't believe that to be fact. from what I see, China is reactive more so than proactive. "conquer" seems to be too strong a word, given its definition of; "overcome and take control of (a place or people) by military force." Sounds more American than Chinese.

"No, but you can orchestrate things so it is so."

Oh, so Putin is just a dupe of the yanks?

"Sounds more American than Chinese."

Well it is the Chinese who are proposing to conquer Taiwan and this is the major area of dispute and uncertainty in the Pacific these days. If China were to announce tomorrow that they weren't going to go after Taiwan (and backed that with actual de-escalation) the "drive to war" of which you complain would evaporate.

Its a strange world you inhabit. The aggressor is the victim and the victim is the villain.

mhaze,

America, Australia, etc etc recognise only one China. Taiwan is recognised as part of China, how do you conquer yourself?

With the mainland all Communist now, should America intervene militarily so the only remaining democracy, the island of Tasmania, be set free from the communist yoke.

Oh come on Paul...the One China Policy doesn't mean that we think Taiwan is part of China. It just means that we agree to have diplomatic relations we just one China - currently the PRC.

Just because the CCP says Taiwan belongs to it doesn't make it so, although given that you always side with the totalitarians, its not surprising that you fall in line with the CCP claims. What's next? Faithful acceptance of the 9 dashes line?

Even so, all this is a side-show. You claim to want peace in the region and not have a war over Taiwan. Well the path to that is having the CCP no longer threaten the island. Any war there will be precipitated by a Chinese invasion.

OTOH, I suspect that what you really mean when you claim to want peace, is that everyone should just give the CCP whatever it demands.

"there is only one guaranteed way you can have peace — and you can have it in the next second — surrender." Reagan - A Time for Choosing.

mhaze,

Since it been over 70 years, I support the notion of self determination for the Taiwanese people, not withstanding the fact it has been a part of China for millennia. Unfortunately both the US government and the CCP are unwilling to allow a free and independent Taiwan to exists. The US see it a useful point of provocation against the mainland, and the mainland wish to exert sovereignty over Taiwan, and fear US incursion so near if Taiwan became so called independent.

Incidentally, I have a good friend in Sydney who is Taiwanese, she is very concerned about her family back home and the dangers they face.

"not withstanding the fact it has been a part of China for millennia."

Nup. In fact the island was only under Chinese government control for a 200 yr period which ended in 1895. Its just CCP propaganda to claim that its always been part of China, the same historically inaccurate claims they make for Tibet and Xinjiang.

Taiwan is only an issue because of the CCP desires to conquer it. If they were to renounce all claims on the island, it would cease to be an international issue. Indeed if the CCP ceased threatening its various neighbours (Vietnam, Philippines, Japan, South Korea etc) there is every chance the US western Pacific alliance structure would unravel. That is, it only exists to oppose CCP expansionism.

mhaze,
Here I was reading your "There's only one reason Trump will be charged in relation to J6..." and I thought geez this commenters making sense, I agree, until you got down to the Ukraine and China rabble, and the back wheels slid out and you were all over the place, lost control and crashed; and Paul had to try and talk some sense into you.

Couldn't be bothered getting into all the back and forth.

Meh.
The US is unwilling to allow a free and independent Hawaii as well but who cares about small nuances..

The US is going to have to accept it does not rule the entire world and it cannot do as it pleases.

America could still come back from the ashes it's heading towards, for starters if it focused on nation building (it's own) and not nation wrecking (everyone elses)

America needs high speed rail across the continental United states and it would be a step towards competing with others instead of knocking anyone down (as a matter of standard warmongering policy) who may rival it.

With half of Americas 4800 banks being close to insolvent they aren't doing so well.

"and I thought geez this commenters [ie mhaze] making sense"

Always go with your first thought AC. :)

The fact that I disagree with you AND Paul over your love of the various totalitarian regimes, just reinforces my view that I'm on the right track.

This is how it works

Totalitarian = Sovereign. i.e 'not a vassal state of the US'
Democratic = Tow the line on US foreign policy, and;
Be part of a gang against any other 'Totalitarian' nation to maintain the 'Rules Based Order' (US makes the rules) and Western Hegemony;
With the ever present threat of promoting one leader over another
(someone who will bend the knee to Washington)
- and the tools they use are - threats, blackmail, regime change and military intervention
- Under the guise of claimed 'human rights' and 'democracy',
And using sanctions to impose collective punishment of the citizenry on an entire nation;
- With a desire to cause civil unrest and that the people themselves will rise up against their government;
(no matter the human cost)
- So that they can control other nations without having to go to the extremes of putting their own peoples boots on the ground;
(usually the poorest amongst them)
- Which if they do will result in making US senators and representatives richer;
As they are all invested in the Military Industrial Complex and are thus themselves all on the take and profit from said wars.
- And once a nation becomes a 'vassal state', US companies move in to exploit the wealth and resources of said country like a vampire drains a victims lifeblood;
- And all the while the US prints these worthless bits of paper called 'US Dollars' and trades them with people in other nations,
- And in return gets tangible goods, i.e the fruits of all those peoples hard labours.

Trump isn't all he's cracked up to be, and you know why?
- Because he appointed warmongering deep state all around him.
The US is in 32 trillion in debt, and in just 4 years Trump racked up 7.8 trillion of that debt, and couldn't even build a damn wall or protect the nations borders, let alone upgrade the nations infrastructure in any significant way as previously mentioned.

He may not have started any new wars, but in the case of Russia he merely was only able to postpone it, he never actually 'drained the swamp' or stopped the neoconservatives and their neverending war plans, but he did completely screw up their timetable; which allowed Russia time to get stronger, and we can be thankful for that.

He didn't make America great, that's for sure.
More like the deep state put him over it's knee and smacked his ar$e.
Should we expect more from him, or different if by miracle he wins a second term?

But of course the Feds job is not to help create prosperity and see an increase in the value of the nations citizens wages.
It's a private company, and wants more immigrants, a larger pool of employees and thus lower wages, and the average person working 2 jobs and never getting anywhere.

Thanks AC,

Your "This is how it works" comment is so on the mark, yet a bloke like mhaze can't see it. I think he's watched too many John Wayne movies.

mhaze that distorted CIA Factbook view of Taiwan is ridiculous. Granted over the millennia various dynasties and war lords etc have competed with each other for control of the Island, but they've all been Chinese. Even the most sycophantic US toady like you should know that.

My friend in Sydney, the most staunch Taiwanese, very anti CCP; "Paul, I am Taiwanese, not Chinese, don't call me Chinese", she will say Taiwan is ethnically and culturally Chinese, but not withstanding that, her priorities are firstly, safety for her family, and secondly to see Taiwan as a independent country, free from outside interference.

BTW, my friend tells me her family have relatives living on the mainland, and they hope on day to be able to freely visit them.

Just a question, What do you see as America's roll in the World? Do you believe it is as claimed, the "World's Policeman" and that's the function it's carrying out, or as AC and I believe its only interested in self interest and uses its power to achieve that end and stuff the rest of us.

Just a comment from me, America has done a lot of good things in the World, and they can be rightly proud of their achievements, but there is a dark side there as well, and its very troubling and dangerous.

"Totalitarian = Sovereign. i.e 'not a vassal state of the US'"

Wow...there's wrong, there's spectacularly wrong, and there's whatever the hell that is.

Go here to educate yourself on totalitarianism... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarianism.

and bear in mind that's just scratching the surface.

Paul is utterly ignorant of the history of Taiwan/Formosa but, obedient to the CCP, really really wants to believe its been in Chinese hands for millennia. He's about as wrong as its possible to be (perhaps even wronger that AC on totalitarianism - and that's saying something).

Not that Paul cares about the facts, but for the sake of clarity, Taiwan was originally settled around 2000BC by people that weren't at all Chinese. The were in fact ethnically related to those who settled Polynesia, the Philippines, Torres Strait islands and New Zealand. (Paul's always going on about his Maori kinship but it seems these distant kin have to be sacrificed to the needs of Xi).

Some Chinese settlers began arriving around 1400AD but Chinese government control didn't start until the mid-17th century and came to an end in 1895AD as part of the Chinese defeat in the Sino-Japanese war.

So this island that the CCP lovers will assert was always part of China was part of China for 200 yrs in its 4000 yr history. European control over Australia has existed for longer than that but we are assured that doesn't matter. Hypocrisy reigns supreme.

mhaze,

The wife had a DNA test about 3 years ago, 80% Polynesian, 10% Asian, 10% other, no Melanesian. Quite familiar with the link between Polynesian/Maori people and Taiwan/Philippines.

Do you lack comprehension, I said earlier that I favour self determination for the people of Taiwan, and would like to see them as a free and peaceful people. The only ones who are willing to sacrifice the Taiwanese are the warmongers like you as you support Americas geopolitical interests around the world.

The only way "self determination for the people of Taiwan" remains a possibility is if the west in general and the US in particular continue to defend the island. A US pull-back would mean the end of the Taiwanese independence.

The only state threatening the "self determination for the people of Taiwan" is the CCP yet you favour them. Quite the contradiction.

Surprisingly favouring them to the extent of acceding to their rewriting of history as regards their jurisdiction over the island.