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Base Load Renewables. Now We know they Really are Stupid !

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Oh you told me did you? Which post did I forget to recite as my new LORE - oh my master?

At first glance - from more reputable sources - it seems great! Just what we need here to help move things along.

Clean air, a stable climate (eventually), no more oil wars, Australia as one of the Saudi Arabia's of lithium, and huge green eco-industrial areas like the Hunter valley and parts of Queensland that will earn twice what our fossil fuel exports earn us.

Which, after all, were going to struggle to find buyers soon anyway! Come on Armchair - you KNOW that's coming. You might pretend to be dumb but you know we soon won't have anyone to sell this crap to in the first place!

So, if Europe's carbon tax with green social offset program works - I say bring it here! We'll be healthier, make MORE money, have a more stable tech and industrial sector, and actually help do our bit to stabilise the climate. Especially if we get into selling green tech overseas!

Can't happen soon enough!

You'll love us when we win.

Oh yeah, that Precision Fermentation dairy I was talking about? It has EXACTLY the same proteins and tastes the same but omits one - lactose. We'd better learn how to make this stuff before someone else corners the market and sells it to Asia!

Told you so.

Ice cream
http://www.greenqueen.com.hk/brave-robot-1-million/
Cake mix
http://www.greenqueen.com.hk/food-tech-news-october-27/
Cream cheese
http://www.greenqueen.com.hk/modern-kitchen-perfect-day-cream-cheese
Posted by Max Green, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 7:28:24 PM
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You can't beat physics and economics, so we'll hate you for dragging us downwards into your enthusiastic, whole of nation experiment. When SA cuts its umbilicus to other states and delivers net zero reliably and affordably to its consumers and taxpayers, then the rest can follow. What we are doing is simply insane, and I hope the drongos bringing on this madness are brought fully to account. Instead, they'll be given medals and promoted, as is the usual way and adults will pick up the pieces.
Posted by Luciferase, Friday, 6 January 2023 7:54:12 PM
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Yeah - right.

It's really insane to try and shift your society from relying on a dangerous and dirty and polluting and finite resource to a cleaner, safer, sustainable resource.

It's really insane to prepare for running out of oil.
I'm insane for getting solar on my roof to be ready for the day I get an EV. That combination is like having an oil refinery on my roof. It means I cut out giant tanker ships floating around the world dropping oil in our port, and big oil tanker trucks driving up and down the Hume highway. It means I'm not buying oil from some nasty regime in the Middle East or Russia.

It's just insane to stop funding tyrannies.

It's just insane to prepare for running out of a critical resource - ENERGY ITSELF - that we need to build out THE NEXT ENERGY SYSTEM.

I think it's SO much more rational to try and build out our oil replacement AFTER the oil's already gone... I mean, we'll just cycle all that infrastructure into place... running on moonbeams and unicorn farts because not only is the oil and gas and coal now gone... but so is our agriculture and the modern world.

Yeah, that's VASTLY more rational!
Posted by Max Green, Sunday, 8 January 2023 7:48:58 AM
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Who's talking coal, oil and gas? Not I. The insanity lies in our national experiment guided by pied-pipers wearing rose-coloured glasses. The case for this is not supported by Walpole, not by South Australia, nor California. It will fail nationally, just the same.

Only nuclear can displace fossil-fuels. Compare France with Germany, the former going nuclear, the latter going intermittents in the power sector. Irrefutable but ignored facts to those blinded by ideology:
http://www.statista.com/statistics/1291750/carbon-intensity-power-sector-eu-country/
Posted by Luciferase, Monday, 9 January 2023 12:15:34 PM
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'Only nuclear can displace fossil-fuels.....', COMPLETELY and AFFORDABLY, unlike intermittents and storage. Furthermore, that's true for ALL sectors, not just the power sector.
Posted by Luciferase, Monday, 9 January 2023 1:30:43 PM
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Who was asking about the Walpole station? I emailed them and they replied:

"As per the brochure on this webpage- Walpole Mini-Pumped Hydro System | Western Power, the Walpole average load is 400kW (0.4MW). So with 30MWh storage (when full) and 0.4MW average town load, the total time would be 30 MWh / 0.4MW = 75 hours."
http://www.westernpower.com.au/our-energy-evolution/projects-and-trials/walpole-mini-pumped-hydro/
Posted by Max Green, Monday, 9 January 2023 3:15:28 PM
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