As if someone from the ANU would go against the 'consensus'. It would be like asking a lecturer at ANU to give a balanced and honest view of the Middle East conflicts.

Geoff writes in regards to Mr Fielding 'The scientists who feed such misinformation to politicians are guilty of an elementary misinterpretation of a data series, and an elementary misunderstanding of the nature of climate'

I suppose he would prefer the politicians to take data from the deceitful, omitted and corrupt data provided by the 'experts'. This is exactly how Gore and Flannery have been allowed to promote their fairytales with no questions being asked. It seems to me that the defenders of this corruption, deceit and lies have become the deniers of reality, not those demanding just a little bit of scientific evidence before committing the taxpayer to this fraudulent tax.

Just my 2c worth

In Sydney today the meteologist got the temperature wrong by 5C, this was from yesterday's prediction. If we cannot predict todays weather 1 day in advance with any accuracy

How can we estimate weather in 2050 with any accuracy?

The first thing that you learn in a science degree is that all scientists should be 'skeptics'. Climate scientists should start with the theory that human activity does not 'contribute ' to climate change, and then attempt to prove this theory wrong. There is always pressure (even at early stages in your career) to produce results that support your hypothesis or that may be financially beneficial, but a true scientist should always seek the truth. As a scientist I would like to see more criticism of the scientists at the Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia. By not criticizing the action of these people it harms the reputation of all scientists, regardless of your opinion on AGW.

Personally I would believe a set of data if it also included some analysis which does support the hypothesis, as you know that the researchers are not excluding or manipulating their results. Truth is, I began to become concerned that something dodgy was going on as soon as politicians got involved.

P.S. Is it not true that scientists claim we are 'contributing' to global warming, not 'causing', thus the effects of global warming will happen regardless. Why aren't green/conservation groups talking about this? I get really annoyed when I hear people talking about 'stabilizing global temperatures', as if we can actively maintain the climate status quo for eternity. Also, using 'The Greens' and 'sensible, cost-effective' is the same sentence... your kidding right?

Of course it's all a storm in a teacup, a three card trick designed to keep discussion away from the politically embarrassing truth.

Climate change is inevitable - further discussion is rather silly. It is also obvious that no matter what transpires at Copenhagen it will be too little too late - check out other links provided by Geoff. So debate should be about what is the best reaction to the inevitability, and quite obviously our political leaders want to avoid this issue, because they lack the political will to take appropriate action.

So it's important to keep us arguing about whether it's all scientific or not - as long as it keeps us away from meaningful discussion about what can and should be done.

As for the thought that anything we do in Australia will make any real difference - come on, pull the other leg! This is just the old cultural cringe resurfacing!

Have a look at http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/breathing-space-on-climate-change/story-e6frg6zo-1225807897176

And Geoff - your previous posting is correct - Anamele is my pseudonym, but I haven't yet worked out how to change it to Peter McCloy.

If everything is above board and transparent why was it necessary for the SPM on page 2 change the definition of what constitutes CC to the all inclusive one of covering both natural and Anthroprogenic..and not make that clear when subsequently talking about CC.

Of course the real reason is that it confuses the issue and makes it almost impossible to manage,.The dishonest politicians go along with the dispreputable scientists to ensure that the populace remains suitably confused and thus beholden to this mystical and superior knowledge

What bunchs of frauds

Sorry, global warming has not been cancelled and here's the proof:

"One thin September soon
A floating continent disappears
In midnight sun

Vapors rise as
Fever settles on an acid sea"

It's all in Al Gore's poem.

Religious and a romantic. I'm impressed.

He wrote it in his Lincoln Town Car limousine on the way to catch his private jet to Copenhagen which then had to take off and find a park at a nearby airport because there wasn't enough room for all the other private jets of the visiting luminaries.

Please remember to turn the light off when you leave the room or we'll all doomed.