Thanks Forrest, I needed a laugh

Thanks Arjay, I needed a laugh.

Thanks rstewart, your link gave me a laugh too

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tim_Ball

It has much more info than wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_F._Ball

As far as I know, even the Heartland Institute has tried to get Ball to temper his, ummm, er, musings.

To RStuart & Co

If we are to rubbish/discredit Tim Ball (& others on the sceptics side) because some of their views are unorthodox. And we are consistent: true to principle as all true persons of science are. Then perhaps we need to rubbish/discredit this man too
http://www.alchemylab.com/isaac_newton.htm

What do say AGWers, do we “Prick him down” too?.

Horus, we don't rubbish people merely because their views are 'unorthodox'. Einsteins theories were 'unorthodox'. We rubbish them because they are wrong, and clearly so.

Newton is an excellent example, in that while you can be considered great because of some successes, it doesn't matter what they think because science shows us what's true or not. When a scientist proposes an idea, they have to test it, or at least have someone else test it. I see Dr. Ball doing a lot of talking and not much testing.

At least Newton tested his alchemic theories. Not having them work should be a dead giveaway as to the validity of those views. Einstein tested his and showed they were likely right.

“Horus, we don't rubbish people merely because their views are 'unorthodox'. Einsteins theories were 'unorthodox'. We rubbish them because they are wrong, and clearly so.”
Thanks Bugsy, you have the GW er’s attitude in a nutshell. Don’t loose those blinkers mate.

Oh, and I do hope every contributor has gone online and perused the proposed Copenhagen Draft. If this document (or anything remotely like it) is signed agreed we are all in trouble. Pay careful attention to the section on financing – you will find out what the faceless figures behind all this are really up to.

do we have food to burn?

As a National Geographic Report
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/01/080130-AP-haiti-eatin.html

..confirmed,..“With food/prices rising,..Haiti’s poorest/can’t afford even..a daily plate/of rice,..and some/poor..must take desperate measures..to fill their bellies,”..by...“eating mud,”..partly as a consequence..of “increasing global demand....for biofuels.”

In April/last year,.World Bank..President Robert..Zoellick..
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89545855

admitted that biofuels..were a..“significant contributor”..to soaring food prices..that have led to riots in countries such as Haiti,Egypt,the Philippines,..and even Italy.

“We estimate that..a doubling of food prices..over the last three years..could potentially push..100 million people in low-income countries...deeper into poverty,”..he stated.

http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/energy/stories/biofuels-drive-up-world-food-prices

..“That’s how serious..this is,..these people,..by their scientific fraud..and financial fraud,a’re profiting enormously….while people die of starvation..in a dozen regions of the world….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03ogXcobtiY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBAVT7XzCZA

it is a scandal..of the worst proportion..our own fellow creatures..are being killed by starvation..because these people have lied..and..made up the science..and hidden it so nobody else..could check,”..said Monckton.

If the measures.currently being debated at the Copenhagen summit..in the name of fighting global warming are passed,..we can only expect a further assault..on the already horrifying plight of the population of the third world.

http://www.youtube.com/v/j6bXxC1d_rE&rel

In the leaked Copenhagen text that emerged earlier this week,
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/08/copenhagen-climate-summit-disarray-danish-text
..leaders of third world countries..were horrified to discover that developed nations..would take on less of a burden than anticipated

..and that more..would be demanded of poorer countries..despite the fact that any further cuts in CO2 emissions would further cripple..their flimsy economies and poverty-stricken people.

In addition,..the leaked paper..revealed that funds from climate financing,..originally allocated to go to the UN and..then be doled out piecemeal to third world nations,..would instead..be paid directly..into..the coffers of the World Bank..and IMF,..[organizations that have made a habit out of..looting poorer countries.with crippling loans that cannot be paid back,...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVTfnxZ0_cY

and..forcing..such countries to hand over their entire infrastructure..to globalist loan sharks.

The fact that policies..arising out of..the contrived science of global warming..are already killing people in vast numbers in the third world..further illustrates

the fact that the entire climate change movement..is a Malthusian offshoot..of the profusely stated goal..on behalf of the global elite..to eliminate a huge chunk of the global population..via modern-day eugenics.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-population-reduction-agenda-for-dummies.html

http://www.infowars.com/brownshirt-youth-corps-invade-monckton-speech/
http://www.infowars.com/copenhagens-implications-for-american-sovereignty/
http://www.infowars.com/1991-un-policy-paper-describes-exact-purpose-and-trajectory-of-current-copenhagen-treaty/

http://www.infowars.com/china-says-population-control-key-to-copenhagen-deal/

http://www.infowars.com/third-world-under-attack-from-genocidal-climate-change-policy/

mate Colonialism:..Soros..Wants Poorer Nations..To Take On Green Debt..EU pledges USD 10bn to fight global warming...and create new third world debt..at intrest..

The European Union nations..have pledged EUR 7.2 billion..
http://www.prisonplanet.com/eu-pledges-usd-10bn-to-fight-global-warming.html
(USD 10.6 billion) to help developing nations fight global warming...no doudt lent...at intrest...our taxes..with copnditions attatched such as one child policy..but it gets worse..remember its our taxes paying this next bubble into green dictators/ship


Billionaire George Soros has suggested that poorer nations be persuaded to take on what he describes as..“green loans”..in the name of combating climate change,..a policy that would land the already cripplingly poor third world with even more debt, payable to globalist institutions such as the IMF.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/climate-colonialism-soros-wants-poorer-nations-to-take-on-green-debt.html

Furious Reaction..To Sick Editorial Calling For Global One Child Dictatorship
http://www.prisonplanet.com/furious-reaction-to-sick-editorial-calling-for-global-one-child-dictatorship.html

An article featured in Canada’s/Financial Post newspaper..calling for China’s draconian one child policy,..where woman are kidnapped off the streets,..drugged,..and forced to undergo compulsory abortions,..to be imposed worldwide has been met with widespread hostile reaction,...yet such measures..are being debated at the United Nations climate summit in Copenhagen.


Copenhagen climate change:..‘US should spend as much on global warming as war’
http://www.prisonplanet.com/copenhagen-climate-change-us-should-spend-as-much-on-global-warming-as-war.html
Poor countries have demanded that the US spends as much on tackling climate change..as it does on warfare.



Copenhagen climate change summit:
The world is COOLING not warming says scientist Peter Taylor … and we’re not prepared
http://www.prisonplanet.com/copenhagen-climate-change-summit-the-world-is-cooling-not-warming-says-scientist-peter-taylor-and-were-not-prepared.html

In his provocative book Chill,..he warns that the world is cooling not warming..and that solutions proposed at Copenhagen ignore the risks of a possible return of the Ice Age…



Obama’s Top Climate Advisers..Can’t Get Doomsday Story Straight..While Testifying Before Same Committee..on Same Day

Which is it–6 feet..or 3.5 feet?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama%e2%80%99s-top-climate-advisers-can%e2%80%99t-get-doomsday-story-straight-while-testifying-before-same-committee-on-same-day.html

Now EU Wants Global Transaction Tax To Fund More Bailouts
http://www.prisonplanet.com/now-eu-wants-global-transaction-tax-to-fund-more-bailouts.html

On the heels of a similar proposal being pushed in Copenhagen in the name of fighting global warming,..the European Union has asked the IMF to introduce a global tax on financial transactions in order to fund more bailouts..in other words,..the globalists are devising yet more ways..to plunder the taxpayer..into servitude..to the private banks that they own.