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Look, let’s just cut out the hot air : Comments

By Richard Laidlaw, published 7/12/2009

If all the hot air generated by Copenhagen were an agent of climate change the polar ice caps would have melted long ago.

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Yet another slant on the denial caper.So we can't stop economic growth and I suppose we can't stop the corollary,population growth, either.

Well,Richard,if Homo Saps can't do it then Nature will do it for us.

You just laze back there in Bali,old son,and enjoy the ride.
Posted by Manorina, Monday, 7 December 2009 8:48:47 AM
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The megatons of coal and oil we have burned produce CO2, which is acidifying the oceans and trapping heat.
Polar ice and tundra is melting.
Climate change is just as much a fact as evolution and the Solar centric theory.
Here's a report about the warming and cooling of Antarctica.
http://tinyurl.com/yerdtbt
Posted by 124c4u, Monday, 7 December 2009 11:09:39 AM
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“Julia Gillard …said a very sensible thing last weekend: this is not about climate change or carbon reduction - it’s about the future.”

If only all those concerned could steer this whole climate change thing into a genuine debate about our future, with the central premise being the need to live sustainably, instead of being hung up on one aspect of sustainability – fossil fuels versus renewable energy, while other huge aspects are left alone, not least the crazy continuous expansion paradigm.

“…let’s take a moment to reflect on some essential points:”

“IT is immaterial in a very real sense whether human agency has caused any of the current cycle of global warming.”

What?!

“But it is essential is that we stop poisoning ourselves with increasingly avoidable noxious atmospheric emissions into the atmosphere as soon as possible and turn to clean energy options that science is developing.”

Of course it is essential to turn to clean renewable energy, first and foremost because of AGW, or the probability of AGW and the sensibility of erring on the side of caution!

“EARTH’S climate is a dynamic entity, far beyond the present capacity of humans to control or even influence in more than a minor, localised way…”

Oh balls! Just look at the extraordinary rate of release of CO2 from fossil fuels, compared to the volume of the global atmosphere, the resultant increase in CO2 concentration, the massive changes to polar ice sheets and glaciers, etc.

“WE cannot stop economic advance.”

Oh balls again! Developing countries will continue to strive to advance. But we could address population growth and strive for steady-state economies and for sustainability if we put our minds to it, so that we won’t have to pursue endless economic growth.

“THE developed world must fully recognise…”

That the real issues as well as AGW are population growth, the absurd endless economic expansion paradigm and various other grossly unsustainable practices, and that these things need to be dealt with with the same or greater urgency as climate change.
Posted by Ludwig, Monday, 7 December 2009 11:19:12 AM
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I hear many posters raising the issue of sustainable growth/populations. Can anyone tell me how it would be possible to prevent economic growth and/or population growth without draconian measures? I wonder if this line of thought is shared solely by people from older generations, and if so, it doesn't really matter what you think does it?

A wise man once said "They got the guns, but we got the numbers"
Posted by Stezza, Monday, 7 December 2009 11:55:18 AM
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well said Richard. Take the Hot Air [B/S] and political grand standing out of the debate and put a sustainable future in the centre of the debate and find out just how ingenious homo sappian is when there is a NEED and not someones wish list for a free ride.
Posted by Richie 10, Monday, 7 December 2009 2:15:26 PM
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Much ado about nothing from Richard Laidlaw. Two pages to say very little about anything - certainly nothing new and nothing helpful: a few vague remarks about 'embracing change', and and a ridiculous comment that population and economical growth cannot be halted.
Posted by Leigh, Monday, 7 December 2009 2:17:56 PM
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