Bugsy, and what i want is for you to google "Global Dimming" review all that science, the TV docos, including the one that ran on 4Corners several years ago. Or is that what "climategate" is all about.

"Please explain" how those scientists got it wrong, or didn't. Why are economists saying the most likely outcome of an ETS is more corrupt trading of fake securities like "carbon default swaps"? Are they wrong too? How does any of this loony left BS, have anything to do with replacing electric hot water systems, with solar?

Thank you Bugsy could you let me have the reference of his papers and I will be pleased to do my own work. I am still unsure of what you are saying anyway apart from Jones was wrong.

I was struck by this comment from 'themissus'.
"Old men are the best men, young men are dangerous. Old men do not go to war. Young men do. Who is smarter?"
It's true old men don't fight and die on the front line. They just cause and declare the wars, and let children die in their stead.
The defensive and righteously indignant posts from so many clearly 'older' people tend to reinforce the notion that many people would rather cause -or at least allow- pain and misery for others rather than admit they may have been part of the problem.
Overpopulation is undeniably an issue in regard to global warming, but not nearly as much as first world waste and overconsumption, consumerism, planned obsolescence, fashion fetishes and all the other absurdities that make up modern 'civilisation'.
I believe we have been heading in the wrong direction since the end of WW2, when the military industrial complex was redirected into creating consumerist 'wealth'; making shopping the new social paradigm.
Do we have to wait for the navigators to die, before we choose a new heading?
Sadly, it seems we have taught our children too well. The current generation of homemakers appear more inclined to go into more debt for the sake of the Jones's, than even we were.

Bugsy, Inigo Jones was published widely, regularly in the Albury "Border Morning Mail" among others. Rural producers and their communities read and knew of his forecasts, some even subscribing to his forecasting services. Lennox Walker RIP was taken under his wing and his son Haydon Walker follows in his fathers footsteps! For your information Busgsy, Inigo Jones RIP forecasts were not for the sole use or non use of government.