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When old men kill their children : Comments

By Philip Machanick, published 9/12/2009

The climate change denial movement are 'inactivists': people who cling to the notion that any change is bad.

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Actually Dallas, he didn't predict the current warming at all. Not even close.

I happen to have handy access to both his biography:

Inigo Jones- the weather prophet by Tim Sherrat
Metarch papers No. 16 Feb 2007 published by the Bureau of Meteorology.

and one of his officialy published papers on weather forecasting:

Inigo Jones (1944) Long Range Weather Forecasting . Queeensland Geopgraphical Journal, published in Brisbane by the Royal Geographical Society of Asutraliasia (Queensland).

His exposition on the cyclical effects of the motion of the solar system, especially the outer planets Jupiter, Saturn and Neptune, combined with sunspot activity affecting the climate in particular cycles makes for interesting reading. I say interesting, but the fact that it's garbage doesn't make it easy.

There's no doubt he was enthusiastic about his subject, but completely wrong about it, that much is obvious. Today, if he had access to the internet, noone would give him a second thought.

Dallas, if you have a good reference to show that he did accurately predict the current climate, now would be the time to speak up. If you don't, then stop spamming the threads.
Posted by Bugsy, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 5:29:15 PM
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PhilipM, C J Morgan, Desmond, Bugsy, Examinator, etc, Firstly i am an old conservationist and anti nuke campaigner from way back. Secondly i still am deeply concerned about the environment, we are leaving for my children & grandchildren.

But none of the current crop of AGW loony, left, wing nuts (including you) is debating the climate science of GD, Global Dimming, "the shade cloth effect". If there is any truth to it at all, then AGW action may trigger catastrophic warming, simultaneously with economic armageddon. How will making the obscenely wealthy even richer with an ETS help anybodies children? The money will be stolen from all of us and given to Goldman Sachs. Who will no doubt make tax deductible donations to green, left NGOs.

BTW, my cousin is a world renowned atmospheric scientist and any idiot can google "global dimming".
Posted by Formersnag, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 8:11:01 AM
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Philip M, Inigo Jones did forecast this warming (greatest drought in Australia's recorded history)and was published widely over 50 years ago.

And Bugsy, You will have to wait a while for Inigo Jones's RIP documented forecast you request as proof of his ability to produce accurate results.
Posted by Dallas, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 4:22:51 PM
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Dallas, Inigo Jones was only ever published specifically, rather than widely, i.e. specifically in Queensland.

I don't see why I should have to wait, you obviously know where the prediction was published, or at least you should since you seem so sure of it. You don't have to quote it, just tell me where it is, i.e. where and when it was published, and I'll go and have a look myself.

Formersnag, I bet your cousin is so proud. Oh dear, trigger catastrophic warming and cause economic armageddon, oh dear oh dear. Well that's it, I'm off to protest doing anything against curbing emissions, the future of the planet of the planet is at stake! I am with you, we are the new AGW-GD alarmist-denialists. Or should that be denialist-alarmists?
Posted by Bugsy, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 5:21:33 PM
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Bugsy you are besmirching Inigo Jones but seem suprisingly reluctant to give any details? I will also search this out as I heard he predicted this current "Drought" and said it would end in 2008. Now that could be the case as we have had usual rain this year. When we have the next customary deluge you blokes will have better got your tax in place because no one will stomach it after that.
I was told by the Melbourne metrological bureau in 1989 that temperatures were not getting colder but had been within the normal range?
Rudd says hottest 10 years in the planet's history, well where exactly was this? Sounds like a rolling prediction you go there its over there etc etc.
Posted by JBowyer, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 6:57:49 PM
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What do you mean 'surprisingly reluctant to give details'? What sort of details do you want? What I want is details on his predictions of the current era. The latest one that I was able to source was that some sort of cycle was supposed to repeat just over every 35 years, so that whatever happened in 1930 was supposed to happen in 1965 and 2001. He gave no details as to what was supposed to happen, or where exactly, I guessing somewhere in Queensland, as nearly all is data was focussed on Qld. There were no real specifics, just the cycles. There were a bunch of other cycles too, coinciding with the orbit of Jupiter, Saturn etc. He also thought that Neptune controlled one cycle, but since its orbit was 165 years he couldn't tell what it was for Australia, because there weren't enough records. He was completely convinced that the orbit of the planets controlled our weather in definite cycles and amount of rainfall. He even thought that because the orbit of the planets were "more northerly" to the Earth, this caused Antarctica to have more land mass, and be bigger than the Arctic.

If you want more details, what sort of details do you want JBowyer? I can quote from one of his papers if you like. I have referenced it previously.

What I want is anything to back up the idea that he made a prediction, any kind of prediction, about 'this current warming period'. Put up or shut up.

Inigo Jones, from reading his biography, I am sure was nice decent man, and likely a great guy to know, and greatly immersed in his theories, but not a genius and completely wrong.
Posted by Bugsy, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 9:25:43 PM
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