"They know about the science"

Do they really? Certainly they wouldn't just from watching "An Inconvenient Truth". And as is beginning to emerge from "climategate", it would be foolish indeed to trust some of the leading names in climate "science".

I put the word science here in inverted commas, because it would appear that as I have suspected for a while, climatology is less about science than about ideology. As Mike Hulme - Pofessor of Climate Change at the UEA - wrote in an extraordinary piece in the Guardian, "self-evidently dangerous climate change will not emerge from a normal scientific process of truth seeking ... if scientists want to remain listened to, to bear influence on policy, they must recognise the social limits of their truth seeking and reveal fully the values and beliefs they bring to their scientific activity."

Perhaps I'm reading this out of context, but it seems to me that Hulme has disavowed the most fundamental principles of "normal" science - "first find truth" - and is instead advocating a frankly mediaeval mindset wherein scientific truth must be subservient to ideological conviction.

I rarely post links, but here is the link to Hulme's complete article. Read it, because it's simply the most mind-boggling mea culpa I've read in a long time: http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2007/mar/14/scienceofclimatechange.climatechange

I'm beginning to understand not only how the "scientists" implicated in climategate came to perpetrate the crimes that they have, but also why they thought they were entirely right to do so.

To return to your topic, I would counter that, in 20 years, no-one will thank the government - or their activist cheer-squads, no matter how well-meaning - who beggared a generation in the name of blind ideology.

'They know about the science..."

Oh, so they know the globe is not warming, do they? Good.

They know that, to the extent there was a scientific 'consensus' that the globe was warming, it was based on computer models *all of which* were wrong, in that they predicted things that in fact did not happen?

They know that the science is overwhelmingly government-funded, and that if you control for the government funded science, the landscape of opinion on global warming is completely different?

They know that governments have poured over 50 billion US dollars into research into global warming, thus creating an industry with a parasitic interest in governmental research and action on global warming.

They know carbon is not a pollutant but is a necessary part of all life, and that it is the cold periods that are bad for life?

They know that the science is infected with the suppression of evidence, and deliberate falsification, to try to get it to cover the fact that the globe is cooling?

They know that the science does not supply value judgements, and therefore it provides *no justification whatsoever* for *any* response by government?

They know that global warming has not killed anyone, but global warming policies are already killing large numbers of people who are starving from food shortages while western governments divert resources on a massive scale from the productive to the parasitic?

Girl, you have been brainwashed by government-funded and government-dictated indoctrination masquerading as education. Until now, you had an excuse. But intellectual honesty requires you to wake up to the fraud that you have been indoctrinated to support, and its anti-human religion of totalitarian power-worship.

Self-interest blocks action indeed. The entire hysterical hoo-haa is a manifestation of the most corrupt and anti-social self-interest.

Clownfish and Peter Hume, I do so hope your grandchildren won't trample your graves for NOT giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Oh, my mistake by the way, I said "mediaeval" when "marxist" would have been much closer to the truth.

The ghost of Trofim Lysenko stalks the halls of the UEA.

Shadyoasis, my grandchildren will more likely be studying early 21st century history as a prime example of the "madness of crowds", wondering how the inhabitants of the most technologically advanced culture in human history could simultaneously have been prey to all manner of anti-rationalist delusions like climate change alarmism, anti-vaccination zealotry, New Age mysticism, Creationism and UFO mythology.

Shadyoasis “Clownfish and Peter Hume, I do so hope your grandchildren won't trample your graves for NOT giving them the benefit of the doubt.”

It appears to me the absence of “benefit” comes from the doubtful propaganda of the climate-change lobby which is after all merely an exercise in

Socialism by Stealth

Climate change is an attempt by the left, the collectivists (Trotsky’s entryists etc) and fellow travellers who, having failed to win the economic argument, are attempting to subvert the rights, inherent in individualism, by pretending the world will be ruined by the new bogey-man, their invention known as “climate-change”.

Carbon trading, Emmissions taxing.. all just attempts to impose a universal levelling process and limit the rewards of entrepreneurial innovation, free enterprise and free trade

and all in the name of that political failure variously referred to as “collectivism”, “communism” and “socialism

I appears, Georgia, that you have not noticed that it is now more obvious than ever that the ETS has no justification.

The great proponent of it, Al Gore has just published a book in which he acknowledges that CO2 does not cause 60% of global warming.

No doubt he thinks he is only 40% lying now, but the basis for demonising CO2 has disappeared, as has the basis for Kyoto and Copenhagen.

It is timely, also, that we now have proof, in the copied Hadley emails, that the little group of IPCC scientists who peer review each others papers , and work to “hide the decline”, have no basis for their pretence that the world is not cooling.

It is cooling, while CO2 in the atmosphere is increasing. The last thing we need is an attempt to lower the proportion of this beneficial gas in the atmosphere. We now have 388 ppm, up from an unhealthy 270 ppm, not so long ago.

At 200 ppm plant life would struggle, and the world would suffer food shortages

And now our schoolchildren have been miseducated to support this baseless tax, and to criticise the few politicians with the wit, and knowledge, to oppose it.

If only we sent them as exchange students to the Czech Republic, their misdirection might be reversed.

It is the only nation in the world that tells its citizens the truth about global warming, and whose President offered to debate Al Gore on the question.

Gore, of course, declined. He hates the truth.