Cotter
'Never had a male client who has been held off the floor by the throat by 'the little woman'

But how many women clients have you who remove a knife from a alcohol crazed man as a daily occurrence? Or learn how to keep their supposed 'partners' in sight at all times so that they are not hit from behind with a heavy object? Women attacks are sneaky and vicious.

And Pynchme. If you had read my post you would have seen me acknowledge the help and support I have received from real Feminists. And that I have said that men could learn a lot from women.

Radicals are never radicals in their own mind. Nobody seems to understand that sexism is judging a person soley by their gender. The 'Feminists' in this debate seem to do a lot of that. And the general attitude of Australians to domestic vionce is sexist. That is the problem. If all the feminists out there are so squeaky clean why do you have to protest the innocence of all women all the time? Why not just accept that some people are violent and some are not?

I fear this debate has gone too far down the path of them and us to be of any further use to anyone. All that is happening is the quoting and arguing about numbers when nobody knows because there has never been a impartial enquiry into domestic violence.

If this debate rights itself into what can be done about domestic violence I will be happy to continue to contribute, but if the crap of last few pages continues it is Plan B, out of here.

'But how many women clients have you who remove a knife from a alcohol crazed man as a daily occurrence? Or learn how to keep their supposed 'partners' in sight at all times so that they are not hit from behind with a heavy object? Women attacks are sneaky and vicious'.
One of the features of many DV relationships is stalking, keeping track of the other at all time, and are men never sneaky?

Most women I see appear to have been too scared they they'll be killed to tackle the knife, gun, chains, dogs, bats. As you ?were on a daily basis - which demonstrates the different capacity and sense of 'being controlled that can occur. The question always asked of women is 'why didn't you leave? (by the so called experts, police, etc as well as many in the community. I guess your reason are similar and equally complex?

I assume the men who gather together to get help are a bit like the women who gather to get help - it all sounds like a hate fest, and yet they stay and go back. However the men on this post ought to write chapters for the book 'Iknowaman' because an example of one is so convincing in their minds (especially if they are the alleged victim) that it must be 'the norm'.

Jayb - I guess men dont bring in other to do their dirtywork when they can easily do it themselves with great justification. Do you know that men are likely to be murdered by the woman's new partner / old partner, and they inflate the male death figure.

And congratulations on doing better in your third marriage - hope you do better than that gold-digging troll someone else used as the example

Paw,

Thanks for your support. I have to make it clear that I have witnessed many things in my time & the overbearing control of our family law courts by the religious nominations is just a minuscule part & although you say our system is based on communist principle, I won't argue, you may be right, you are with all else that you said but The courts ask one to swear on a bible & to repute the fact they are run by Catholics would only be ignorant for the sake of religion itself. When I did welfare certificate 4 at Tafe, I encountered just how much the Catholics were pulling the strings & abusing the men psychologically & even today, an ex sibling & staunch Catholic has given custody of 3 children to her son because of her influence in the family court.

I would have to say that 30% of the outcry to DV is justified but the other 70% is due to the lack of equity/equality & support for psychological blackmail by the Feminazi's & with the Rudd/Kenealy Catholic Mafia's full blessing & make the real statistics look fake.

Cotter, You are sounding more like my ex wife with every post.
I did leave twenty years ago. But the memories of the abuse lingers and I will did what I can to help anyone of either sex who is suffering abuse. One of the things that led me an understanding of abuse was a small but significant group in my clients who where political lesbians, women who had been in abusive heterosexual relationships and consciously switched to same sex relationships. What was so enlightening about this group was that the issues they were presenting with in their same sex relationships were the same issues as they had with their heterosexual relationships.
As someone who has had so much to do with battered women I am certain you would have come across the same phenomena. People looking from both sides of the fence and seeing the same view is for me compelling evidence that the gender does not matter but the abuse does.
Female perpetrators use weapons, and a man is usually able to disarm her. That does not make the attack any less real and I really would have thought that someone who is as interested and knowledgeable about Domestic Violence as you say you are would have avoided sexualizing the problem.
Or maybe you only know it from one side. It which case it would be better if you stepped aside and stopped interfering with those from both genders who have a real interest in coming to grips as to what is really going on as the beginnings of a way forward to end the problem.

I couldn't have said it any better myself Daviy!

My sentiment's exactly. You've said everything I need to say. Thank you.

Antiseptic and Dave; first of all the term "missus" is mine and not attributed to Dave. Also Antispetic, Dave is not my client and I am posting in my off duty time where it is generally ok to express an opinion in my own lingo.

Secondly, the reason I placed ? <- indicates query. The query was in relation to posts by Dave earlier in this thread:
Posted by dwg, Saturday, 28 November 2009 9:05:09 AM
Posted by dwg, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 6:46:25 AM

At least I have tried to comprehend what he is relating about his situation and personal distress. Thanks James for being able to see that and for acknowledging it.

Regardless of the details; the fact still remains that Dave has been threatened and more worrying in terms of relative powerlessness, so has a child. Dave can choose to do something to protect himself especially against future 'victimization' or he can choose to do nothing.

However, in the overall this is why it's pointless to bother with this thread. You're all so determined to portray men as helpless victims. Which it seems to me to be the reason that Cotter refers to the fact that women in general have got busy; initiated and carried out constructive actions to obtain some measure of protection and justice.

Btw Antiseptic, you often accuse women and especially feminists of being on some "gravy train". The best way to keep people like me in business is to keep doing exactly what you're already doing; because the sexually abused children (male and female) and assault victims just keep on coming.