An example of bias research is the WSS. The only questions asked were the ones that showed women as victims, not one single question was asked about if the women in the survey had committed DV.

Some useful questions, might have been;

Have you withheld sex to punish your partner?

Have you falsely accused someone of sexual assault?

However I fully suspect the researcher who was game enough to ask these questions, would have a very limited life span.

CJ Morgan,
"Clearly, women should remain in abusive relationships and never fight back."
and
"campaigns like this "One in Three" bulldust only act to deflect attention from that essential truth"
THE ESSENTIAL TRUTH
I was the one that put up with a WOMAN that was abusive because I promised our son to bring him home to mum and dad,that WOMAN did nothing to stop the abuse of our Son, while the amphetamine dealers and users just kept pumping their drugs through her, treating her as a wh@rE, while my son suffered, CRYING FOR HIS PARENTS UNTIL HE MADE HIMSELF PHYSICALLY SICK but I note that you have never spoken out on the abuse of my son, Are you more interested in the women that abuse children than the CHILDREN themselves?

Suzeonline,
"Pynchme, I am amazed you choose to take these bitter men on."
and
"Domestic violence restraining orders are there for a reason. If you guys think that they are there purely for women to get even with their ex-partners,"
Suze, DV orders, read of my last two posts,The ex threatened me but had a DVO placed on me because I am supposed to have rang her
Pynchme
"You do also realize that the threats to him seem to be from another bloke (or am I mistaken Dave?)."
I cannot in any way see how you came to that conclusion, and yes, you were mistaken big time it was from a woman

Posted by dwg, Sunday, 6 December 2009 12:31:08 AM

"and I'll tell you now,like I told the coppers this "arvo" I'll cut her throat and I'll cut yours and if she wants to do me I'll cut the kids throat too"

Posted by dwg, Sunday, 6 December 2009 12:43:49 PM

"PS this is not an example for any to judge all women by there are many good women out there as to many good blokes"

Ring 0421 949 734 I'll play the message (to privatise your number dial 19883 first)

thanks from
Dave

Hi Pynchme

There are feminists and there are Feminists. I have worked closely with real feminists in the area of addictions (that always spills over into domestic violence) and have always received their support and caring. In the early days when I first looked at my situation realistically my feminist friends gave the support and encouragement I needed to get through a point where I was verging on suicide .
Men are just at the beginning of this journey and feminist could be of great assistance because there are so many place women have gone before that are new to men. We need you help and in return perhaps women could learn that not all men are barsterds.
The problem is that there are many 'man haters' who use men as the excuse for everything wrong with their lives. They masquerade as feminists when they are really something totally different. One such woman (with apologise to all the real women) raves on none stop about here supposed feminist ideals when she is divorced because she could not stop drinking and beating up on her then husband.
Can we put aside the radicals of both genders.
Would you like to go back to the good old days? You education shows in your post so you can see this is just the old 'justifier' form of augment. You invent a clearly inferior position to your own and present it as the only alternative to your own.
Suzeonline
Bitter or battered?
If there is going to be a fight with those who like to call themselves feminists over men getting heard in the debate the fight will come from the feminists. The radical views of one male in this debate need to go in the dumper along with radical feminism.
Dave is not alone with his inability to get heard. Nobody listens to male victims of Domestic Violence. That is the essence of this debate. Everything else is just static. Firstly, right now, we want to be heard without anyone of either gender negating what we have to say.

Daviy said, "Dave is not alone with his inability to get heard. Nobody listens to male victims of Domestic Violence. That is the essence of this debate. Everything else is just static. Firstly, right now, we want to be heard without anyone of either gender negating what we have to say."

Absolutely spot-on Mate!

The article that started this debate and the emotional arguments put forward by most of the men contributing to this discussion, have all been because we are not listened to and nor do are we validated either.

The women who have taken part in this discussion and who have sought to cheapen, demean, further vilify and belittle any of us for the pain we have expressed, are typical of the nasty women who exist in our govt and NGOs that treat men in general with disdain and ignore, when we approach them for help.

Women are equally as violent as men are.

All we ask is that equal funding and respect be afforded us so that we can also live our lives without violence and that if we ask for help for our children because they have been abused by their mother, our children will not be turned away too, just because these agencies refuse to address the behaviour of abusive women.

All you women in this forum who refuse to accept the truth, I don't know how you can sleep at night. You turn every comment back on the men by saying that we are trying to go back to the dark old days, which is such a typical nasty feminist response.
Leave this forum and go find a rock to crawl under. Maybe you can find the same rocks that the women haters live under and you can all suffer the effects of all your toxic waste.

As for the rest of the good men and women here, we would like to have a fruitful discussion about how we can get innocent abused men and their children, the same respect and services that women have enjoyed for the last 3 decades.

Hi all - thought I'd pop back in to see whether light had dawned yet.
1. if in your state victims of crime have to have successfully negotiated the system, lobby to get it changed. we did.
2. Define domestic violence - Australia hasn't yet, but there is a sticking point that fails to comprehend DV as opposed to violence. So listers are posting to cross purposes. Lobby about that - we did.
3. Everyone has a story, and all are relevant. However, continually focusing on your own story and the experiences of one or two others, (all important) but not getting to the issue wastes time.
4. For every awful story of DV, there is a matching one for both genders - which was my 'be careful what you wish for comment'. ie, a woman cannot expect a seamless pathway NO MATTER how vicious the attack. Lobby about that - we did. We lobby for men, women and children. Why don't you?
5. the criminal and family court systems are pathetic for both genders. I'm not going to denate the numbers because 1 is too many. Lobby to get changes - but know the system first.
6. False allegations ought to be punished AS SHOULD false denials. Lobby about that too. we did.

Suzieonline, You refer to me as a bitter man but yet you know nothing about me but let me just enlighten you a bit.

I am a victim of both psychological abuse & domestic abuse but the domestic abuse only began when I separated from my ex partner of twenty years. Her father being an ex cop & our friends circles involved motorcycle gangs, federal & state cops, as well as judges & solicitors. Being a passivist & an Atheist, have never turned to violence in my life & never had a police record or had charges laid on me for anything at all. That was until my ex started psychologically abusing our children to turn them away from their father (me) & that's why they were denounced. They are no longer my children, as I will not negotiate with a terrorist organization. You are nothing more than an extension of that terror organization in my eyes, with the very limited mentality that drives you to support the Catholic pedophile cult behind the policing policies that suppress men for the sake of women molesting children.