spindoc: "I don't understand why Rudd doesn't abuse the IPCC and CRU scientists."

Possibly because emails isn't were the game of hard core science is played. Its played on the pages of peer reviewed journals. The papers in those journals are the basis of the IPCC conclusions, not the emails.

If it can be shown some of those published papers were based on deliberately mangled data, the IPCC report will look shaky to extent it cited the papers in question. If so it should be a good show, as some scientists careers will end in spectacularly when their betrayed peers turn on them. But if the publish papers continue to look sound, the careers will continue to flourish and IPCC report stands firm.

Rhoops: "Brought to you courtesay of the London branch"

Actually, you don't have to go to London. You can find those graphs here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ice_Age_Temperature.png You can be absolutely sure every climate scientist is very aware of them, and has taken them into consideration.

If I was to make a wild arsed guess about why they think something odd is going on, I'd say it has to do with what has happened after the most recent temperature rise. You see how in every proceeding cycle the temperature peaks then drops off immediately. There is no flat bit around the high point. If you look closely, this time we are in a flat bit following a peak.

When I was a kid, everyone had a fair idea what the climate had done over the past 400k years, and so everyone thought we were headed into another ice age. And then some climate scientist looked at the rising CO2 levels, and made a prediction about temperatures rising when clearly any idiot could see with "predictive certainty" they had to start dropping real soon now. The poor sod had obviously consigned himself to the dustbin of history. But no - the temperatures did what he predicted. This has spooked all and sundry, particularly some guy called Al Gore who was sitting in his class room at the time.

SUBJECT: “water vapour positive feedback”

This TRICK has been used in all the IPCC models.
I small a BIG RAT!

Read this:-

http://www.quadrant.org.au/magazine/issue/2009/10/climate-modelling-nonsense

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark!

HERE IS A LIST OF SOME LIBERAL SENATORS EMAIL ADDRESSES I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FIND.
EMAIL THEM AND LET THEM KNOW YOU DO NOT WANT THEM TO VOTE FOR THIS TREASONOUS ETS(Employment Termination Scheme/Extra Tax System)!

senator.humphries@aph.gov.au;Bronwyn.Bishop.MP@aph.gov.au;joanna.gash@aph.gov.au;joe@joehockey.com;scott.morrison.mp@aph.gov.au;alby.schultz.mp@aph.gov.au;
senator.coonan@aph.gov.au;senator.fierravanti-wells@aph.gov.au;Michael.Johnson.MP@aph.gov.au;Stuart.robert.mp@aph.gov.au;Peter.Slipper.MP@aph.gov.au;
Alex.Somlyay.MP@aph.gov.au;
online@sueboyce.com.au;senator.brandis@aph.gov.au;senator.ian.macdonald@aph.gov.au;senator.mason@aph.gov.au;c.pyne.mp@aph.gov.au;senator.ferguson@aph.gov.au;
Senator.Bushby@aph.gov.au;senator.colbeck@aph.gov.au;kevin.andrews.mp@aph.gov.au;Russell.Broadbent.MP@aph.gov.au;David.Hawker.MP@aph.gov.au;
jason.wood.mp@aph.gov.au;senator.mcgauran@aph.gov.au;Nola.Marino.MP@aph.gov.au;J.Moylan.MP@aph.gov.au;mal.washer.mp@aph.gov.au;Malcolm.Turnbull.MP@aph.gov.au

If this ETS(Employment Termination Scheme/Extra Tax Scheme) is introduced due to the COMPLICITY OF THE TRAITOUS TURNCOAT, then Australians must have "DEMOCRACY IS DEAD" day, to mourn the passing of DEMOCRACY in Australia!

How can such a day be organized?
Anybody have any ideas?

Australians should show how ANGRY they are on this day!
They should take to the STREETS and SHOUT OUT their frustration!
Everybody should take the day off from work!

Look at the WORKCHOICES protests! Let's learn a lesson from that!

THE ETS IS BASED ON A FRAUD - YOU DO NOT NEGOTIATE FRAUD.
Finally we have a government that is bought and paid for by the lobbyists, the banksters and the UN. Goodbye Australia - Hello New World Order hell.
Our money wont reduce pollution one tiny spec - what a scam.
The opposition has been hijacked by a bankster.

TURNBULL WORKS FOR GOLDMAN SACHS NOT THE AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE
TURNBULL WORKS FOR GOLDMAN SACHS NOT THE AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE
TURNBULL WORKS FOR GOLDMAN SACHS NOT THE AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE
TURNBULL WORKS FOR GOLDMAN SACHS NOT THE AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE
TURNBULL WORKS FOR GOLDMAN SACHS NOT THE AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE
TURNBULL WORKS FOR GOLDMAN SACHS NOT THE AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE
TURNBULL WORKS FOR GOLDMAN SACHS NOT THE AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE
TURNBULL WORKS FOR GOLDMAN SACHS NOT THE AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE
TURNBULL WORKS FOR GOLDMAN SACHS NOT THE AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE