"Yes the resident moron holds that title.. and seems to wear it with honour but like most old dogs, his bark is worse than his bite"
CJ yes Col Rouge's comment was out of place. You are certainly no moron.

"I have been the target of your ignorant abuse as much as anyone; but, haven't you noticed that it has made no difference, knob-head"
Not having seen a photo of you CJ I am not sure what you find offensive in Leigh's statement.

CJ Moron “(a) It is not illegal for asylum seekers to enter Australia by whatever means, by virtue of our status as a signatory to the UN Convention.”

It is illegal to attempt to circumvent the migration processes, which have been enacted as a matter of Australian LAW

“the argument is whether or not they should be imprisoned while those processes occur.”

Until credentials and worthiness is determined, we place the greater Australian community at serious and avoidable risks if diseased and criminally inclined potential terrorists are allowed to roam freely through our streets.

“there is no queue”

There is a quota and when the quota is full .. those who are left are stuck in a queue…

“You haters…”

I hate no one. Not even poor examples of sub-humanity, like you.

I further count several Sri Lankans among my closest friends.

I just expect those who arrive in Australia to either submit to the same regime for acceptance as I had to submit to or be seen to qualify as a “real refugee” and all the “illegal economic opportunists”, who pay Indonesian smugglers thousands of dollars to be shipped here illegally, be barred from ever entering Australia.

Now CJ Rover run away and find somewhere quiet where you can lick yourself I trust you remember what I am referring to….. woof, woof.

Hi spindoc - we recently discussed nearly of the issues raised by your questions at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2899. I figure since that's an internal link at OLO, you may deign to read it. Frankly, I really couldn't be bothered going over the same stuff again and again.

In my first post to that thread, I somewhat presciently wrote:

<< I think that Australia should increase the number of refugees we accept under our Humanitarian Programme and reduce to zero the number of applicants accepted under the skilled migration and other immigration programs. We should also negotiate with the Indonesian and/or Malaysian governments in order to radically increase our capacity to process offshore applications for asylum.

I also think that the beleaguered and ineffectual Opposition will try and exploit the increased numbers of asylum seekers by returning to the inhumane tactics of the Howard regime, that appealed to the widespread latent xenophobia and/or racism of many Australians - such as we see expressed by some of the usual suspects in this forum.

It will be ugly. >>

If you take the time to read through it, you'll see that I made some effort to explain patiently and politely my views on asylum seekers who arrive in Australia by boat.

However, I don't recall that discussion addressing Sri Lankan Tamil asylum seekers specifically. One major difference between the Tamils and other recent asylum seekers is that they are fleeing internment camps created by their own government, to which UNHCR has had no access. There is therefore not even the pretence of a "queue" for them to jump.

I'd post a link, but you asked me not to.

Col, you're a truly odious person. However, I'm not going to play with you about asylum seekers - the issue is too important. Bye.

Same Age-old precipitator of war. Tribe migrates to country of other tribe, 200years later demand separate state or country. Thus begins the Tamil -Sri Lakan 20 year war.
Now people from this same tribe(Tamils) want to migrate to another country as refugees.
The question is in 200years will they again demand a separate state or country.

World War 1- Serbs who had migrated to Germany kill the German Crown Prince or some similar identity (sorry don’t feel like looking it up at the moment) The German army was sent to deal with the Serb community, who then called in the tribe they had originally migrated from to defend them. That tribe was the Russians. Once Russia and Germany started fighting, other countries were pulled into the war , including Britain to honour treaties with allies,of course then Australia was obliged to come in because of it’s allied treaty with Britain as well.

World War 1- began because of aggression between two tribes over who was in control, same as the Tamil conflict.

World War 2- precipitated by two tribes who could not live together in Germany. The Jews didn’t help matters by forming a huge religious tribe who did not wish to intergrate with the Germans. The Germans too treated the Jews with tribal hostility. The reason the Germans invaded Poland also goes back to tribal hostility over land starting back in the 1300s when Germany ruled the whole of the Austrian Area.
My point being that both World War 1 and World War 2 are beaconlights as to the dangers of immigration refugees included.

sharkfin, there's been a significant Tamil population on the island of Sri Lanka for more than 2000 years - but don't let mere facts get in the way of your grossly simplistic "tribal" theory.

So,CJ Morgan, if the Tamils have been living in Sri Lanka for over 2000 years wasnt it because they had been allowed and even welcomed by the majority of Sinhalese population who now had to pay the price for the sheer political ingratitude of Tamils who never really integrated fully into the island community but began to tear the country apart in a 20 year civil war in which so many innocent Sinhalese had to die. This is not a simplistic statement of the fact of history. It must be said that there are many Tamils in the south who never really supported the civil war. It was sheer political adventurism and opportunism. These Tamils were massively supported by Tamils in Indian state of Tamil Nadu from where the Tamils originally hailed. They have relatives and friends and business connections still there., So why dont they go there for asylum/ Could it be because 1) there's no CentreLink and medicare there?
2)because they know how to exploit the soft politics which they can exploit.Rudd thought he could show up Howard'ds hard stand as inhuman but now he finds himself having to take similar steps himself. He isnt half mad at these Tamils for showing him up as being naive and weak. he has misread the entire historical play before his very eyes.

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