eyeinthesky <- Oh CALM down. Please stop trying to portray All men as victims and Suzie as an aggressor. She said:

<"No peter,not capitalism, it was merely stone age paedophile men acting for their own sick gratification before SOCIETY AS A WHOLE banned the practice. Unfortunately, SOME MEN today never evolved from these stone age practices.">

(capitals added for emphasis)

"society as a whole" <- that includes men doesn't it; otherwise she'd have said "women" or "half of society".

"some men today" <- she says SOME.

If you aren't a leering old geezer then you aren't being blamed for anything are you.

Pynchme
On other threads i have stated quite clearly that i have brought up my lovely daughter [ now a young WOMAN] myself, that i have just become engaged to a beautiful WOMAN, and the help and support i got from many WOMEN including some single mothers during my custody battle. Yet when i have put forward my opinion that SOME women/mothers are abusing and neglecting their children i have immediately been howled down and called a mysogynist or women hater by people including suzeonline. WHY arn't you telling THEM to calm down. I will answer you in kind. If suzeonline and her sistas arn't child neglecters or abusers, then THEY arn't being blamed for anything either, yet it seems according to you, that it is ok for them to say what they wish about SOME men/fathers, but men arn't allowed the same right to say what they wish about SOME women/mothers. As clear a case of hypocrisy and double standards as i have seen and exactly what is wrong with these debates and in fact the entire family law and child protection system in this country.
[ Capitals added for emphasis].

Bravo, eyeonthesky! That's precisely the prevailing hypocrisy in a nutshell.

eyeinthesky: I've never seen a post where women approved of or presented apologetics for female abusers of any kind, but of course I haven't seen every post. If there is one that you'd like to show me I'd be interested to see it. At the same time if your interpretation of those posts is anything like the interpretation of the post you just singled out then I would doubt the accuracy of your interpretation.

I have no compunction whatsoever in expressing disapproval of any abuser - whether their victims are male, female or any youth or child.

However, as you see, you have Antiseptic's full approval. If I were you I'd reflect on that. It's like someone who says they aren't racist getting a cheer of approval from the grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

PYNCHME.[SIGH]. You completely miss the point. I have never seen a post where a woman has APPROVED of the abuse and neglect of a child, and that includes suzeonline. But then neither have i seen a post where a man/father APPROVES of the neglect and abuse of a child either, and that includes anti. The message in the post in question is very clear, that it is MEN who are to blame. Yet as usual if a man disagrees and points out statistics which show the extent of abuse and neglect of children by mothers and their new BF's, he is immediately howled down and called a woman hater or mysogynist. I fail to see how any rational person could draw the inference, from what i wrote, that i said that suzeonline APPROVED of child neglect and abuse. All i did was point out what she said in her post which was that MEN were responsible. And its plainly there for all to see. I would point out that it was only AFTER suzeonlines post that anti made a reply, and as usual he is the one copping the flack.
Antiseptic is a good name as our whole family law system needs a darn good clean up to rid it of all its attendant parasites and to start doing what is truly in the best interests of the child. Whether the child is in danger of abuse or neglect from either the mother or the father, that child should be placed with the best parent, gender should not even enter into it unless the child is only a tiny infant, and that is not being done in our courts today. Suppose i wrote an article or post on here that on the strength of 92% of child neglect being carried out by mothers that SOME women/mothers were to blame and that all children should reside with the father. What sort of reply would i get to that, yet when a man replies to a post like the one mentioned he is just told to calm down.

eyeinthesky: The comment wasn't that anyone approved of abuse - but that they express approval of or apologetics for abusers.

The only time I have seen any reference to (often distorted) stats on child neglect, it's raised as a diversion from the overwhelming statistics of male agression. That is - as an apologetic for male aggression or abuse.

Btw - while women may be counted more often for child neglect - a couple of thoughts:

1. Since women provide the vast majority of child care; it's not surprising that they also tally up a greater proportion of occasions of child neglect.
2. Where are the fathers ?
3. Women raising children alone are often in dire financial straits; maybe poverty is a contributing factor to existing stats.
4. In one of my work roles (over many years) most of my clients are men and at least 50% (conservatively - I would say the percentage is closer to 75) have experienced childhood sexual abuse. Of all of those, I have only had one whose sexual abuse was perpetrated by a female. I have NEVER counselled any one, male or female, who stated that the presenting problems stemmed from neglect.
5. You refer to women and their Bfs - very true. Noting, of course, that Bfs are blokes.
6. I am an advocate of the idea that fathers, given the chance, are capable nurturers. Most feminists are as well; being opposed to enforced stereotypes and the roles that are dictated by them.

If you choose to hop on Antiseptic's bandwagon (where, for example, opposition to child sexual abuse is referred to as "tut tutting" and people who oppose it are accused of having a problem with sex) - don't be surprised to be categorized with him.