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Driven by indignation at injustice : Comments

By Julia Gillard, published 5/10/2009

Collective responsibility and democratic action are necessary to ensure people can develop themselves and excel.

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The Missus is confusing 'edumacation' with training. The Cert 3 for cleaners, the Cert 3 for lollypoppers, is but basic safety training I'd imagine. It merely attempts to ensure completely unaware employees are not let loose to injure themselves.

Worse though, are the religious bodies set up as approved national trainers, who deliver 'counselling courses' to wide eyed youf, and others, who then get their 'sistificates 3 and 4' which allow them to be let loose on the vulnerable and 'counsel' them into and down the path of religion.
Posted by The Blue Cross, Monday, 19 October 2009 12:36:41 PM
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RobP “Truly lovely. If mine is then so's yours, sunshine. The more I listen to your faux intelligence and superior this-and-that crap, the more I hope life will give you the big coathanger one day.”

How crass

“I hope someone puts their 20c piece to good use and gives your merc a new GT stripe down the side.”

the wishes of the small minded and envious… resenting what others have earned and what they know they cannot achieve

Actually – its my future wife’s “merc” … she bought it some years ago, when she was operating a group of training schools.

“I hope the clothes your new floosy has bought split down the seams.”

If you mean my future wife (two weeks to go) you are going beyond the pale and showing how low and loathsome you really are… but I will take it all in good spirit… the likes of you being so irrelevant and impotent (I wonder – perhaps that is it - you are so envious because you have difficulty in the matter of “potency”)

Yes I am sure you would have been there on the front line destroying those who you thought (and who probably were alot) better than you. You can probably trace your ancestry back through Germanys “brown shirts”, all the way to the French revolution and the grannies who were knitting beneath the guillotine which executed Marie Antoinette.

“ And I hope you drop dead with cancer.”

Very uncalled for…

Proving, however, that there is no depth to which you will not stoop,

No feces’ .in which you will not roll.

Fractelle “I have teased him on occasion (don't mention the Bentley)”

mention it all you want…

“maintain moral superiority”

ROFLMAO..

Toooooooo late

For “moral superiority” RobP would have to demonstrate he has any

“morals”

which is inconsistent with wishing someone contracts cancer

I will pray for him.

“, as a social species, achieve far more together, than as individuals.”

Yes that is why we have “markets”, “commerce” and “trade” ..

So the excellence of the few benefits the many, at a price.
Posted by Col Rouge, Monday, 19 October 2009 5:32:46 PM
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The Blue Cross,

Not not confusing the two in my head, perhaps the way I worded the post.

Regarding university I feel it plays a vital role in preparing a person to be a good "cultural fit" in the workplace rather than skill training. It does save employer a lot of anarchy in the workplace and higher level of compliance. The downside is that it also takes the culture out of people that leads to new ideas, motivation, entrepreneur and the ability to survive outside the mainstream. It is difficult to reconcile how we promote a multicultural Australia when to actually survive we need to be culturally corporate compliant and leave our differences in the closet. Despite the many decades of multiculturalism at the end of the day we only have capitalistic culture to show for it. Cultural wasteland.
Posted by TheMissus, Monday, 19 October 2009 6:36:24 PM
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theMissus,
this simply isn't so. University gets a lot of bad press, some of it deserved, but how higher education is imbibed comes down to the individual. There is ample opportunity to emerge an anarchist as well as an entrepreneur. Neither has university had much to do with multi-culturalism---driven more by political expediency and pc than anything else. Culturalism is another matter, it is the product of literary reformation.
The humanities predate the kind of pragmatic (no, cynical) higher learning that dominates these days; indeed the humanities used to be the reason d'etre of university, which churned out society's avant-garde, that vital admixture that kept culture vibrant and politics honest. Most universities today are dedicated to the white-collar market---churning out suits, devoid of imagination, or at least preoccupied with making money and maintaining the mindless endless round of capitalism. The cultural "wasteland" is the by-product of the latter, whereas universities, the ones that haven't yet sold their soul to the devil, are the last remaining levees against the rising tide.
Get your humanities before they become cheap commodities---only while stocks last!
Posted by Squeers, Monday, 19 October 2009 7:11:37 PM
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Fractelle/Grim,

Thanks for your thoughts. I'm still not sure whether Col's taking the mickey or he's serious so I would have to see him face to face to know what I was really dealing with. I'm happy to turn it into a joke if he is. If he's dead serious, then so will I and he can expect no quarter.

>>So the excellence of the few benefits the many, at a price.<<

Up to a point that's fair enough. I saw the 7.30 Report tonight, Col, where dairy individual farmers were getting knocked down to 29c/litre for milk, when it costs them 40c/litre to produce. There apparently are 5 farmers on suicide watch because of the stress of being caught between not being able to cope with the cost pressures and not knowing whether there's a viable alternative they can turn their hand to. Is that your idea of a "price"? The problem with knobs like you that operate in the market is that you don't know your own strength, and you're prepared to indirectly play chicken with other people's lives. That's a real price. Would you be prepared to pay it if you were in the farmer's position?

Your one-sided application of libertarianism has got knobs on it, Col. Wake up and smell the roses. So, what would you do if one of your clients was about to get squashed between a rock and a hard place? Throw them to the wolves?
Posted by RobP, Monday, 19 October 2009 7:53:57 PM
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hey jules..see all the trstosterone on this post..this is the same patriarchal bulllssshit thats going down in israel...mate...fix that you fix a lot...i would begoin by withdrawing money to israel...because its not in the nukle treaty..you know that one irsan is in

second i would do some research about sri-lanka..specificlly the 50 ,000 in prioson camps...herded into their version of gaza...thats the saame mob thats on the boat...get it...

had you lot spoken up earlier...they wouldnt be homeless...quite appart from the fact that sriolanka has a favoured status...using slave labour..ignorted so it can by su arms..that assisted this genocide of the natyive tamnals

coirrect me where the mud map i have revealed to you is in error..tell kev forget about the carbon tax..i know he made it as low as he could...but ,mate..its built on a lie..

its why i stopped writing kevin direct..went through wayne...given up on both of em now
only doing it here till the post closes

the other thing is bring them in and set them up in our gaza...seriously...you know settle them in the outback...with the natives...jobs for our indiginous peoples...

join the two problems mate..jobs/work for our people...in time they will returnm home./..to sri-lanca gladly..oncve they payed the rent...helped the locals
Posted by one under god, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:52:47 PM
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