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A call for citizen climate action : Comments

By Mark Diesendorf, published 18/9/2009

Community groups pushing for climate action are a bunch of bright flowers in the desert of government inaction and spin.

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Oh great, a call for eco vigilanties, and I'm sure it won't escalate beyond the odd quite peaceful protest that doesn't affect anyone.(/sarc).

oh wait, when eco activists chain themselves to connveyer belts in power stations, it stop the power station and causes millions of dollars of losses and damage. That's not an innocent crime, the community pays.

Next we'll have people damaging cars they think are not "eco green" enough, oh hang on, that does happen in the US right now.

Does this constitute villification of part of the community, stirring up emotion in one part against another? Is this inspriring hate crimes? If the eco types are pretty well a religion, and their campaign is against the eco heathen, this could get ugly, because obviously the blessed eco warriors have right on their side and there is a consensus on AGW isn't there? Well, holy war!

Go back to the cloistered halls mate before people take this up and it gets out of hand - sheesh. (to quote another) I know what you suggest is innocent, but a lot of folks take the AGW and Climate Change thing very very seriously so it is an obsession. Read some of the comments on this forum sometime to see what happens when someone challanges the AGW belief system. There are a few who clearly need help .. and this is one of the sanest forums on climate, go to the AGW belief sites with their "denier denigration" forums to see frothing at the mouth extremism They are the ones we don't want to encourage to take things to a higher level.
Posted by odo, Friday, 18 September 2009 9:59:59 AM
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"Global climate change is accelerating"

Rubbish. Even the scientists over at real climate who think man made global warming is a reality don't think this, as the warming hasn't really done much in the last 10 years and is expected to not do much over the next decade either...http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/07/warminginterrupted-much-ado-about-natural-variability/

Starting off with such an obvious falsehood makes me think the author should not really be listened to....
Posted by Grey, Friday, 18 September 2009 10:26:20 AM
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This article merely celebrates the grassroots efforts to curb household pollution. We don't chain ourselves to power plants; we recycle, eat less red meat, save water, etc.
If I can influence one more person to switch off unused lights at home, then I feel I am making a difference. Lots of little efforts still add up.
Posted by SalC, Friday, 18 September 2009 11:54:53 AM
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Well done girls and boys, well done!!
Now go and tell the nice utility people that you do not want anymore of their dreadful polluting Electricity, gas and water. Then as there are so many of you the greenhouse effect will be negated.
Oh yes and ensure that nice Mr. Gore gets a horse and travels on that and stops flying in his executive jet. Problem solved!
Oh yes and no more silly talk about me having to pay more taxes OK?
Posted by JBowyer, Friday, 18 September 2009 12:39:41 PM
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Global warming is, in fact, accelerating. Note, Grey, that the article on RealClimate you link to is merely one hypothesis about what might happen over the next decade or so. It's an interesting paper but, it's just one of many projections and it says nothing about the past-and-current warming.

Take a step back: what does the word “climate” mean? It means the long-term average of the weather, generally defined to be over periods of 30 years or more. Temperatures have a lot of short term variability: they bounce up and down from year to year. The important aspect is the long term trend.

Taking the most commonly cited data for global temperature, from the Hadley Meteorological Centre in the UK, the picture is clear. Annual averages, dominated by short term variability (the “weather”), bounce up and down all the time, but 30-year averages, showing the underlying trend (the “climate”), have been rising since early in the 20th century, and especially since about 1975.

Specifically, the 30-year average shows a warming rate of 0.88 degrees per century in the 1980s, a rate of 1.10 degrees per century during the 1990s, and a warming rate of 1.52 degrees per century over this decade. Looks like acceleration to me.
Posted by Matt Andrews, Friday, 18 September 2009 12:49:35 PM
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Its terrifying that some are still stuck in 18th century thinking/worldview that exponential growth on a finite planet can continue indefinitely. Thinking that made sense in relatively empty world of 300 years ago, is hubris in today's overfull world where nature's capital is rapidly liquidated by humanity's consumption.

We need to awaken to reality that money is not wealth but a claim on wealth. The inevitable result of a financial system that grows money exponentially is an exponentially growing claim on wealth that ultimately derives from nature's capital (ecosystems and resources).

The absurdity of a financial system growing around 6% pa is that a cent in one AD (legal claim to 1c worth of stuff) grown at 6% compounding, becomes a claim in 1992 to 100000 galaxies of a billion stars the weight of the sun made of pure gold at $328 an ounce!

Climate change, 6th planetary extinction event, peaking of oil, food and water availability are all SYMPTOMS of exponentially growing claims the planet can no longer sustain. They will render the planet virtually inhabitable this century.

Wake Up Australia! Follow Mark's advice, get out there, speak up, act up, be heard, rally and above all become a citizen again and participate in democracy by seeing your federal member and demanding a future for our kids. Work concertedly with others and the power of your words and actions will be compounded many times! The only kind of compound growth needed is in the numbers of those awakening to reality and demanding a planned and quite rapid reduction in the physical scale of our economy.

Imagine! If we consumed half as much stuff we would only need to work half as long - more time to enjoy the pleasures of life! Financial reform to 100% reserve will take the exponential imperative out of the economy and can be used to refinance all mortgages on principal places of residence to peppercorn interest rates thus liberating us from much of the drudgery of going to work. Not only would we survive but we might even get a life too!
Posted by Copernicus, Friday, 18 September 2009 1:29:56 PM
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