chazP, The concerned fathers movement were addressing, extreme child abuse, by deadbeat, single mothers, occurring before 2006.

"The myth of male power" was a figment of your imagination or propaganda. My ex's grandfather brought his entire pay packet home, "the seal unbroken", all of his married working life. His wife, did not even give him an allowance, but bought his ration of tobacco and beer for him. If they were still alive, they would be well into their 90's. All well before anyone heard of feminism. It was feminism, that gave me, the idea that married life, should not be like that, but that, relationships were supposed to be about equality.

In Victorian times children stayed with their fathers where they have always been safest. Women who were determined to abuse their children with divorce, no matter what, left, with the clothes on their backs, and good riddance to them.

My son in 1996 expressed a clear desire to live with me, but everybody ignored him, and his mother continued abusing him, as she had done before separation, which, i only sought, because she was mentally ill and refusing treatment.

Cotter, There is more of all child abuse happening today as a direct result of feminism. It has been increasing exponentially for the last 2 or 3 decades. Undoing everything feminist will not be a total, overnight, cure, but start, reducing it.

When men, were allegedly controlling things, child abuse happened, but it was a minority, small problem compered to, the pandemic it is now. There have always been some dysfunctional families, but they have been out growing the functional ones because of left wing feminist politics.

Think about it, if, you, were, a paedophile, would you not, try to infiltrate DOCS, its the ultimate cover. Look up Aiding & Abetting in the criminal code, it means helping, assisting, encouraging, perpetrators, before, during or after. Which is exactly what the feminists/DOCS have been doing for 20 years now, in all states and territories. Read eyeintheskyes postings on what they did to his daughter, i know of many others, even worse.

F-snag

I get that you don't read my posts - being female I guess I don't count for much, but why don't you give what R0bert has to say some consideration; he is very thoughtful and while I do not always agree with him, he does have a great deal of credibility. For example, one thing R0bert never does is place labels on people, thus giving all people a fair go.

A fair go. Instead you somehow link paedophilia with feminism as if they were two sides of the same coin. You do realise that paedophilia is far more common among men than women and, given their predilection, are highly unlikely to align themselves with feminists.

Then again, I don't think you have any understanding of what feminism is about; you have stated in previous posts that women were treated as equals before granted voting rights. I suppose you think women were still equals to men even before they could own property as well. You are a very strange person.

RObert i have read both of chazp's posts on this thread and i can find no mention of an acceptance that caring father's exist, perhaps you can enlighten me. Like formersnag my ex also had mental problems [ since diagnosed as bi-polar disorder ] for which she refused to take treatment, and which the social workers and the family court also ignored, continually recommending my daughter reside with her, where her abuse and neglect continued for 3 years. Yes i do know that there are abusive fathers, my main beef is that fathers who abuse or kill their children despite being fewer in number [ backed up by gov't statistics even if only because more mothers have custody ]than abusive or child murdering mothers, ALWAYS get a great deal more negative coverage by the media. As a prime example how many here remember the name Darcy Freeman a good many i would say since the incident was front page news for days on end. Now, how many can recall the name of the mother who jumped off the same bridge only a few months previously killing her child solely because she THOUGHT the father might be going for custody which hardly received any coverage at all. Hark, is that a deafening silence i can hear. I am not in the business of selectively slamming either abusive mothers or fathers, i just wish that there was at least some EQUALITY in the debate especially by the media so people could make GENUINELY informed decisions on these issues instead of the one sided media bias we currently have to endure.

eyeinthesky try http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=9151#145730

R0bert

Formersnag - do you have the slightest shred of evidence that lesbian paedophiles have infiltrated DOCS, or is it a figment of your bitter and twisted imagination?

I strongly suspect the latter.

Formersnag wrote 'concerned fathers movement were addressing, extreme child abuse, by deadbeat, single mothers, before 2006. No deadbeat fathers? Are single mothers deadbeats by definition if she leaves a marriage? Any exceptions?

Feminism disappointed you by not bringing equality into the marriage. But perhaps it was the choice and behaviour of the participants?

Re'In Victorian times children stayed with their fathers where they have always been safest. Hello! There's a clue!

And 'Women who were determined to abuse their children with divorce, no matter what, left, with the clothes on their backs, and good riddance to them. So divorce is the issue? people should just put up with whatever? Alcoholism, psychos, violence, rape, rape of the kids?

Your personal circumstances must have been awful, but dont your own words 'separation I only sought, because she was mentally ill and refusing treatment demonstrate exactly the counterpoint to your lines above? Ok for you but not for women?

child abuse is not happening today 'as a direct result of feminism'. For example there have been huge, known, international paedophile rings for years. Note we mask 'who abuses'by 'paedophile' because abusers are often people who also have what appears, on the surface, as normal, hetero sex life.

Re 'Undoing everything feminist will not be a total, overnight, cure, but start, reducing it. So no women's rights, no career, man-is-boss women are not, even lower wages, no birth control and all that will solve child abuse?

'There have always been some dysfunctional families, but they have been out growing the functional ones because of left wing feminist politics'. Dysfunctional family? You blame the family, not the abuser?

Child sex offenders are in every field. Church, polictics, law, service, schools, preschools. More tho, in homes. Kids home, and homes in your street. Not grown by Docs, grown by people's choice to abuse, to commit criminal acts.

Aiding & Abetting? The legal system does that all by itself and that's about the last bastion of blokiness.

And what's to be done to solve the problem, use what we know?