C J, you have been learning about propaganda & spin doctoring from feminazis. You quote single lines out of context, Ignore everything else. A male social worker i know was flogged repeatedly as a child by his alcoholic father but unlike you he accessed appropriate counseling/recovery, he holds his mother equally accountable for standing by, letting it happen, refusing to have him charged, (which should be occurring in all cases regardless of gender) and taking him back, to do it, all over, again. Don't tell me that women never used nonphysical DV or head #$%* mind games on you. Then i will know that you are lying in order to continue justifying decades of child abuse by feminazi, paedophiles. Look up aiding & abetting in the criminal code, it means helping, assisting, encouraging a criminal, before, during or afterwards, & in law is considered equal to doing it yourself. Re Read all my posts over again slowly C J, i never said all women or anything like that, i, have referred only to radical extremists. It is the women who have been referring to ALL men/fathers/groups. No C J, not bitter either, i even feel sorry for my ex, the abuse she inflicted on my children & i, was rooted in abuse she received as a child from her mother, mostly she was self abusing and we merely got caught in the crossfire as she desperately tried to shoot herself in the foot. Unlike you C J, i have moved on and am capable of recognising the "inconvenient truth", that all forms of child abuse by both genders are equally damaging and must be stopped ASAP.

robert & C J, posts by chazP, etc, are emotional uncontrolled rants, symptomatic of "borderline personality disorder", a common disease in women.

Pynchme like Bettina Arndt, is trying to be honest, but after 40 years of dogma/entrenched positions, is incapable of facing up to either being wrong or having been duped by others.

fractelle with the smiling/sarcasm is symptomatic of a stone cold sociopsycopath which is 7 times more common in women than men.

'There are other difficulties in assessing the true prevalence of the problem - child abuse and child sexual assault remain secret crimes, with multiple bars to disclosure and the pervasive attitudes of denial within our society contribute to the silencing of both child and adult victims'.

If you read over these posts, you'll see exactly this. Pervasive denial. Blame another human 'type'. Especially those damned WICKED RADICAL FEMINISTS of either gender!

Why can't those men in the thread who seem to disrespect and loathe women so much - just stick to solving the problem - even if they only focus on stopping sexual and other violence against boys? Why can't we focus on the problem of abused kids, and not attack people trying to identify remedies and the way forward?

Otherwise, the discussion wastes everyone's time. Or is that the idea? Knock ideas and whinge, criticise and bleat 'poor me'. What about the kids?

Cotter, Sorry for the delay in getting back to you on this serious matter.

You are absolutely correct with what you said in your last post. But you are still missing the main point of my postings, which is the same as yours.

This debate has been hijacked by feminists for decades and all they have done is rant about men, being responsible for all of it. Denying any responsibility by women at all. Worse though is that child abuse has been getting progressively worse as a direct result of govt's implementing feminist policies that they lobbied for extensively.

The feminists have been whinging about not enough social workers for 20 years and the DOCS budgets have been increasing steadily for nearly every one of those 20 years. It has become a whole new industry that does nothing but eat taxpayers money, while children continue to be abused.

If we axed all feminist funding immediately, then practical men like you, RObert & eyeinthesky could be payed to solve it all very quickly & easily indeed. The feminists have no solutions to any problem other than whinging and blame shifting games, the sooner we stop listening to them the sooner we can save children from abuse.

For the record i don't hate women, i feel sorry for them, the lesbian, feminazi, paedophiles have made life miserable for all women and girls.

No Farmersnag – it is not the feminists who have been driving this agenda for decades, but the Male Supremacists and Patriarchal Chauvinists. This is clearly apparent in the Family Law Act 2006 which was largely influenced by the demands of the Father’s Rights Movement and is why the current mouthpieces of the FR Movement, the Shared Parenting Council and the Uni of West Sydney, are vehemently and vigorously opposing any reforms to the Act.

The Act was in fact reactionary in taking the law back to Victorian principles that children were mere possessions of the parents and their goods and chattels to be disposed of with their other joint assets.

The Act gives only a slight regard to children’s rights under international legal provisions to be protected from abuse and to have their wishes and feelings taken into account in important decisions affecting their lives. In consequence many children have suffered and are continuing to suffer serious abuse following Court decisions that dangerous and toxic parents have the right to a continuing involvement in their lives.

Children do not have the right to a say in who they will live with post-separation, who they will have contact with, and who they will have a `meaningful relationship’ with, although these are specific rights given to parents by the Act.

The 2006 Act must be reformed to be child-focussed and to give paramountcy be children's needs, rights, and wishes in all matters affecting their status.

Formersnag, ChazP,et al

It depends on your view about the ideas of women - the earlier feminists, in identifying child protection issues as progress from absolute male domination in religion, government, law, and services in the mid 60's, wanting safety and equality for women as good or bad. Before then using children for sex was an unmentionable. (women had to leave public service jobs upon marriage, if they left the marriage they got the sewing machine to earn a living.)

There are as many child-sex participants still in all areas as there ever were, but with better organised groups and protections.

I cannot come correlate the idea that person who claims to care about children, can sit back and blame anyone but the perpetrators. Attacking the workers - docs, feminists, etc (and I have easily as much ire in me to 'blame them' if I thought it would help) - but it takes the argument away from anything except my bile.

So should the government just hand power back to 'men'? Which men? Are you suggesting that any man/men will do better than those you call feminists? Men had a hundred years and more to get it right. Do the men in DoCs now escape your ire because they are men, or are they the solution? How is that?

I cannot quite see what your solution is - i understand there are some nasty people out there, hateful people, cruel people, stupid people, powerful people, good people. Most of us are neither all good or all bad. But picking on types is not helpful. What is the solution?

There would be no child protection without them. Really what Kezelman was writing about - the need to make safety a human rights issue.

I am well aware that some men and women abuse, and that boys and girls are abused, and sometimes abuse other kids. The impact on the survivors is enormous as Kezelman describes

Cotter both Formersnag and ChazP are focussed on the gender of those involved rather than how they act. Formersnag perceives all feminists as evil, ChazP assumes that very few fathers actually care at all for their children and that men who have objected to being treated as though their only value to children is a capacity to earn are Male Supremacists and Patriarchal Chauvinists.

ChazP may be a bit better, at least she accepts the possibility of a caring father whereas Formersnag can't comprehend the idea of an honest caring feminist.

Part of the solution lies in trying not to let those who want to make gender the issue control the debate. We need to start treating them as part of the problem.

As you said so well " i understand there are some nasty people out there, hateful people, cruel people, stupid people, powerful people, good people. Most of us are neither all good or all bad. But picking on types is not helpful."

R0bert