hi bagsy i was suss on your post [so checked you out]..5 posts since 2005...BUT you seem sincere..they all seem to be anti-war...and about different wars...but i note they are one off posts[so you dont get into any debates..or seem to come back after you post

i fear that you might have been targeted in a campain[see my previous posts]...this makes me suss on the origon of the email you quote..[i suspect someone is using one of your previous post's.. against war..at some other site.. to build suport to attack iran

do you have any idea which forum the email came from...i suspect this is a deliberated attempt to get the anti/war mob involved to excuse the next war...i would investicate the email carefully..if your really antiwar...

dont get me wrong..we need more antiwar posters here..

never the less i suspect some war monger..is using you...to set up another war...when..your previous 4 posts are all clearly against war

Hi BB and 1UG - yes I am back again. For heavens sake I do not understand how I am suspected as a warmonger on the basis of what I wrote. Gee, 1UG, do you keep a running sheet on all participants, I did not even know myself that I had only offered an opinion 5 times since 2005? Thanks. No I am not under orders from some campaign, I stand on my own soapbox. I usually read a few articles, but seldom enter into the debates. Without intending any offense, I tend to find that many of the same names with predictable opinions haggle with each other day after day. Anyway I am not looking for an argument. As it happens I am stuck in quarantine in Shanghai on a H1N1 scare, so I am possibly spending more time than I usually do in browsing.
I am opposed in principle to war and also tyranny, I have had a lot to with refugees in my life from all forms of tyranny. I admire people like Aung San Suu Kyi, Nelson Mandela and I believe that the ability to spread ideas is an anathema to bullies and dictators of whatever ilk. I have this contact in Iran, he has sent me photos and comments showing the steps the bullies are taking to squash dissent. I just believe that we should speak out loud and often in support of such brave people. I hardly think that is promoting war.

This post(Part 1) offers a Baha'i perspective on Iran's present crisis. The present crisis in iran will be resolved neither by blind imitation of an obviously defective Western culture and its plethora of democratic, materialistic and often media-driven public issues; nor by retreat into medieval ignorance which often seems to be the direction taken by religious and political elites in Iran. The answer to the dilemma faced by Iran was enunciated on the very threshold of the crisis of modernity in the late 19th century, in the clearest and most compelling language, by a distinguished Son of Iran Who is today honoured in every continent of the world, but sadly not in the land of His birth--except by a religious minority now referred to by Iranian political and religious authorities as heretical.

Persia's poetic genius captures the irony of the position of this religious minority: "I searched the wide world over for my Beloved, while my Beloved was waiting for me in my own home." The world's appreciation of Bahá'u'lláh, the Founder of the Baha'i Faith, came perhaps most explicitly into focus on 29 May 1992, the centenary of His death, when the Brazilian Chamber of Deputies met in solemn session to pay tribute to Him, to His teachings and to the services rendered to humanity by the community He founded. On that occasion, the Speaker of the Chamber and spokespersons from every party rose, successively, to express their profound admiration of One who was described in their addresses as the Author of "the most colossal religious work written by the pen of a single Man", a message that "reaches out to humanity as a whole, without petty differences of nationality, race, limits or belief".

This post is a continuation of Part 1....One of the most appalling afflictions, in terms of its tragic consequences, has been the slander of Bahá'u'lláh's Cause perpetrated by that privileged caste to whom Persia's masses had been taught to look for guidance in spiritual matters. For over 150 years, every medium of public information-- pulpit, press, radio, television and even scholarly publication--has been perverted to create an image of the Bahá'í community and its beliefs that is grossly false and whose sole aim is to arouse popular contempt and antagonism. No calumny has been too vile; no lie too outrageous. At no point during those long years were the Baha'is, the victims of this vilification, given an opportunity, however slight, to defend themselves and or to provide the facts that would have exposed such calculated poisoning of the public mind.

Ruling elites can make no more serious error than to imagine that the power they have managed to arrogate to themselves provides an enduring bulwark against the relentless tides of historical change. Today, in Iran, as everywhere throughout the world, these tides roll in with insistent urgency and tumultuous force. They are not merely at the door of the house, but they rise up irresistibly through its floors. They cannot be diverted. They will not be denied, perhaps not today but tomorrow---for tomorrow is another day.-Ron Price, Tasmania

In a recent policy paper/Brookings Institute,..the authors propose almost anything..to guarantee dominance of Persia by the new world order,..including bribery,lying,cheating and mass murdering by an all-out military assault of Iran.

The paper..‘Which path to Persia:Options for a New American Strategy toward Iran’..is an/example of the firm intent of the globalists to engage Iran militarily..and/acquire its natural resources in the same effort.

..‘how to deal with Iran’..in the cold bureaucratic language..that poses as scientific..but is really nothing more than the intelligent musings of a calculating psychopath...

,..‘Toppling Tehran’..the warmongering increases..as the writers contemplate both covert..and/overt military/civil action's against the Islamic republic of Iran.

In the fourth section,..‘Deterring Tehran’..the option of..‘containment’..is elaborated upon...The proposed final strategy..predictably..involves roughly the same order of appearance.

To ensure the cooperation of surrounding countries,the authors propose bribery as an effective tool.

After the authors assert that..‘it may be necessary to cut some deals in order to secure Moscow’s support..for a tougher Iran policy’,the authors continue with their ‘brainstorming’,..advising a widespread bribery/disinfo campaign..in order to ensure international/national cooperation in regards to Iran:

‘Other countries also will want payoffs from the United States in return for their assistance on Iran.[like egypt/jorden/saudie/dubia..Such deals may be distasteful,but many will be unavoidable if the Persuasion approach is to have a reasonable chance of succeeding.’..

And further on:..‘To be successful,..a Persuasion approach would invariably require..unpleasant compromises..with third-party countries to secure their cooperation..against Iran.’

This means the US/big business..will have to cut all kinds of deals with dictators,bloodthirsty local tyrants and other corrupt kings of Arabia-..even facilitating them with weapons.

Besides rallying the..‘international community’..around the Anglo-American establishment with the help of these..‘unpleasant compromises’,..

the paper stresses it will also be necessary..to persuade the Iranians themselves..to topple their government(page 39):

‘Inciting regime change..in Iran would be greatly assisted by convincing the Iranian people...lol...[see previous links]..that their government is so ideologically blinkered..hat it refuses to do what is best for the people..and instead clings to a policy that could only bring ruin on the country.’..by using bloggers?..

But the authors..underline the necessity of creating a favourable climate..for the transnationalists..in which to operate....lol..continued at link

http://www.infowars.com/brookings-publication-mentions-possibility-of-%e2%80%98horrific-provocation%e2%80%99-to-trigger-iran-invasion/

The world needs people like you, Bugsy, similar to those like Mandela.

Where does Gandhi come in here?

Who is the real initiator, and where are these kinds of characters the Middle East needs - or even today's world needs so much?

Further, what is your opinion about sharing the blame to avoid further conflict, Bugsy, as is talked about in social academia, and in fact, by the Young Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount?

Regards, BB, WA.