you make good points bb.but the thing that really needs policing is our leaders...its funny how we go bomb whole populations back to the stoneage..when the real problem is only the bad governance

look at sadman insane..how hard would it have been to tak him[or that other dictator..take your pick..idi amin..pollpot..pinachue..hitler..etc 'out'..and leave the people alone

[the people are allready overpoliced]...its really all about an excuse to kill the little people..[all this global policing]..its basic policy to call some leader..to not account..by murder of his oppressed people and their infastructure..[see how blockades/wars only hurt the little guy's

the rememberance is that of the time..when kings ruled the world..[all interelated..[where one king would invade the other kings troublesome peoples..to silence the debate...there was a certain advantage to both sides..but allways in favour of the elites..running their own fiefdom..[thats still the game]

lets at least be honest..that its about controling the people..or the peoples resources..[not the leaders]

Thanks, One Under God, as an historical philosopher going on 89 and only trained in his retirement from farming, I still
note that yourself and I possibly share the same reasoning.

Shown so much in your reasoning that in today's world we do not need so much as Churchills, but maybe Shakespeares who as writers can ponder on both sides of the problem.

Certainly Kissinger has been both, but failed by being possibly too attached to his Jewish faith.

For example, as Minister of State, he gave warnings to Nixon about allowing Israel to go militarily nuclear, saying it could upset any chance for peace in the Middle East in the future.

Best Regards, BB, WA

To One Under God, based on article in Friday's West Australian newspaper.

Strong future for a more democratic Iran?

With its near 70 million people with its strong non-Muslim roots as a premier Persian power, Iran according to Robert Kaplan, could be the Islamic nation's universal joint.

Iran's governance, though somewhat illiberal, is still stronger than any in the Islamic world.

It is to be remembered that when the Shah was toppled back in the 1970's, anarchy did not ensue, the holding of the American Embassy for over a year being somewhat praised by certain Western democracies

Certainly there is still the problem for Iran to line up more with Western democracies, but as an Iranian female judge stated two years ago that Iran was quite capable of fashioning its own style of democracy without American help.

There is also the problem of Iran as a Shia nation being a traditional adversary of the Sunnis.

But could say that maybe the biggest problem would be with Israel, not so much the Israeli people themselves but the cursed fact of Israel ever being allowed to become strongly militarily atomic.

To be sure Obama must have worries over little Israel having so much strike power, but the problem may be solved with Obama's target to render impotent all the world's nuclear artillery while he is in power.

Let us all pray or sincerely hope that Obama can achieve it

Extracts taken from Friday's West Australian newspaper based on article by Robert Kaplan.
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bb..the issue has been delberatly confounded, the media spruiks as if all arabs=muslim=islam-=sunni/whabi/shites/kurds etc but its much more complicated than that..[as i recall they were basiclly tribes pre white/anglo xtian forming them into countries...

places like saudi/kuwait even afganistaan.palistein.iran/iraq are not natural constructs..[but the result of our interefering mainly to get oil..its a complicated mess..but it worked long before our meddeling[and will as we buttout..but not till every last drop of oil has been bled from their sands[regretably]..some where in that mix is the intrests of the banking cartel/israel..with their nukes and disinfo

kissengers loyalty is beyond disputing[ie zionist]as is the weedling of such divisors as berzzonski[who cancocted the whole left right divi-zion and the creation of bin larden[saudi]..hamas and even fatah[and no doudt an endless list of other groups all set up to either divide loyalties or create ongoing division

allowing the playing off of both sides against the middle[setting up people like sadman[insane]hussane,kuait/saudi/egypt siria,the potential list gets rather egsausting..its a big game that seems to need an end game..[either the hollowcause..[appocolypse,or the invasion of china/russia...

either way its not likely..we discussing it..can achange much about it..[its up to all semites[arabs]..or the people of the messenger[may peace be upon them all]..to realise division is by deliberated policyby those loving the war,loving hate division...

ie not serving the lifegiver,..god of grace and mercyfull..[and insist peace/is their-our only hope..to unite as one with the people of the xtian messenger..and them together proving the those who would call themselves gods own that their messiah came near 2000 years ago...

thus the plan to rerun armogeddon/ap-pox-o-lips..again IS TOTALLY FLAWED...none/but one..living/loving god..gave all life..our lives to live..[not to die for a lie

It does seem that most of the debate on this topic misses the point to some extent. I see from my perspective and limited involement that what is suggested is to provide an avenue for 'people power' in Iran to express itself and be heard, to feel that they have an outlet. For example out of the blue, a young Iranian Engineer has been sending me emails and seeking me to help spread the news about the plight of the Iranian people oppressed by thuggery.

"Dear John,
I didn't in touch with you because of being busy to help protesters in view of broadcasting not censored news and informing freedom-lovers for announcements as you know the Iranian government has blocked all communication channels for freedom-lovers and means of email is the only way to coordinate and informing except landlines.
Unfortunately Islamic groups in Iran supported by Islamic government do brutal acts against freedom-lovers even kill them as you can see through news channels such as CNN that a member of Basij (a semi-military Islamic group supported by the supreme leader of Iran) kills some innocent people like Neda who was filmed at the time of her death.
The Islamic government forces rushed to universities and scientific centers. They are real vandals.
The recent incidents began when the government made fraud in the election result and didn't noticed to the complain. It is not strange about the Islamic government of Iran to do in this way that I personally am sure that they support terrorist in other countries.
I hope the international societies decide to make some effective decisions related to this.
I am sending some pictures of what the Islamic government has been doing against freedom-lovers in Iran in another email.

Thanks and regards,"

Bagsy, yes, we do well agree with you.

However, surely you do not want another war over it.

In fact we believe it would take atomic artillery to achieve it.

Because please remember in the 1980s aided by America, Saddam's Iraq invaded Iran, but after eight deadly years, Iraq had to pack it in.

The Iranian protestors must find another way than relying on American military power, Bugsy.

That is way we must try and have faith in Obama, over it.

Reckon if all the rest of the Western world backed him, it could be achieved simply through wisdom and understanding without military conflict.

Regards, BB, WA.