velocidex, it is absurd to suggest that the catholic church has lost its moral authority. it never had it to begin with.

Nice one Nina.
The church apologists really don't like other people playing by their rules which is "stick the boot in, no respect".
They also hate for unfiltered truth to be revealed about their behaviour.
Being the crimminal harborers they are, I find nothing surprising about their behaviour anymore.
1) Worldwide paedophile protection society.
2) Thousands of Africans killed by banning funding involving condoms or, (God forbid!) teching kids about sex and their bodies.
3) Political interference world-wide (secret of course.)
4) Supporting blind puppets like Bush cos they "got God". Seems truth is irrelevent when political support is on the line.
5) Anti-science movements world wide. The anti-evolution movement is a great example of the lies they are willing to perpetrate.

All this shows they have no moral standing whatsoever. Just apologists like runner who clearly display their hatred of "the other tribe". Religion ancourages "us and them" and stops people maturing properly. Faith is *no* substitute for knowledge, maturity and wise practice...but it sure is a hinderance!

Logic and research are terrible weapons to turn on an innocent institution.

Considering that the catholic church forbids the use of condoms, I think they would be the last place to turn to for sexual advice.