Teuku conveniently forgets to mention that the crimes committed by a minority are committed in the name of a majority of silent Muslims who are purpotedly exploited and denigrated by the infidel West. And it's this silence or sotto voce position of the majority of Muslims that make them complicit to the criminal actions of the minority. Just remember that this majority of Muslims are still to be convinced that the 9/11 attack was perpetrated by radical Muslims and not by the conspiratorial duo of Mossad and the CIA.

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mikk

Believe or or not yes.I wish none to rot in hell although we all deserve it. Thank God for His mercy in sending Christ.

Jon J writes

'Let me put it this way: in an Islamic society, people like runner would be in charge.'

Why won't you secularist tell the truth. Under Islamic law I would be beheaded for my belief in Christ or at best treated like a dog. You secularist with your willingness to murder the unborn have a lot more in common with Islam than what I do. You believe in just as many lies as what Islam teaches. Islam teaches Mohammed was a prophet from God. You make up fairytales to explain origins and deny your Creator. YOur moral relativism eases your consciences from a multitude of evil but does not change the fact that one day you will give an account before your Maker. Hopefully you will come to your senses before that day.

runner
You claim that in Islam society you could be beheaded for your beliefs yet you harbour an almost unhealthy hatred for secularism. Don't you understand that secularism in those nations would mean that you would no longer be beheaded for your personal beliefs.

Would you rather that Christians continue to be persecuted in places like Iraq and Iran? I am sure you are not advocating we start beheading or outcasting those who might not share your views. To hold one's own views up as the only truth goes against the Christian ethos of charity, humility and humbleness.

Secularism is the only way forward to peace, accepting each other for our beliefs an end to the hatred.

Secularism is our Saviour!?

Which flavour? Soviet, Nazi, Khemer Rouge or Christian based Western models?

We might be pluralist, but, secularism is not what we have or deserve.

God save the Queen, and bless our Pope and save us from those who want to negate history!

Pelican

YOu write

'Don't you understand that secularism in those nations would mean that you would no longer be beheaded for your personal beliefs.'

That might be true but I would also have had a good chance of being murdered in the womb like tens of thousands do here today. My point is that Islam and secularism both have intolerant death culture ( the very thing the fundamentalist secularist accuse Christians of).

runner
No society is perfect whether it be secularist in nature or dominated by one powerful religious group.

Secularism is the condition where there is a separation of powers between religion and State. I can see where there may be some grey areas in legislating to ensure that in becoming secular we be careful not to turn a blind eye to practices that also go against issues of human rights or democratic freedoms. I watched a documentary the other day and it nearly bought me to tears to see a screaming child being forced to undergo genital mutilation.

I don't think I have ever met a fundamentalist secularist but I can name a few fundamentalist Christians and Muslims. Abortion has been carried out for centuries even in Christian dominated nations, the mere fact of being Christian or Muslim does not prevent abortions it merely pushes them underground.

As for death culture it is only the fundamentalists Muslims that kill in the name of Allah. Who has argued that Christians in the modern world have a death culture? One might argue that previous US governments used Christian terminology as though (if there were a God) he would be in favour of invasions where there was no legitimate cause. But I think, as in the case of Allah, this is a perversion of what the stories of Christianity and Islam are about.

Perhaps in the days of the Inquisition or the Crusades, yes I would agree this period was marked by a fundamentalist Christian death culture (to use your words). Or in the case of the Klu Klux clan believing that white men were superior over black and hence gave themselves permission to kill in God's name. These people do not represent all Christians.

Humans will always cherry pick from the Bible or the Koran to suit, what is really, their own view on the world. Catholics who use contraception, have sex before marriage or Muslims who kill in the name of Allah are all outside of the dictums of their faith.