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Palestine - Obama, some home truths and missed opportunities : Comments

By David Singer, published 15/6/2009

President Obama’s approach to Jews living in the West Bank is hasty and ill considered.

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Mr. Singer wrote:

Missed opportunities by the Arabs to create a separate independent sovereign Arab state in the West Bank and Gaza have been squandered on at least six notable occasions in the past 62 years:

"during the 19 years between 1948-1967 that Jordan occupied the West Bank and Egypt occupied Gaza - where not one Jew or Jewish town or village was located following the expulsion of all Jews living there as a consequence of the 1948 War of Independence;
during the 19 years between 1948-1967 that Jordan occupied the West Bank and Egypt occupied Gaza - where not one Jew or Jewish town or village was located following the expulsion of all Jews living there as a consequence of the 1948 War of Independence;"

During that time the Palestine people were not given an opportunity to say they wanted a state. They did not miss an opportunity as they did not have an opportunity.

Like Mr. Pilger on the other side Mr. Singer is so partisan that he cannot recognise a genuine attempt at peace.
Posted by david f, Monday, 15 June 2009 10:08:10 AM
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Singer seems to be unaware that sovereignty of the former Palestine+Transjordan _was_ divided by the United Nations in 1947.
(Here I use Palestine to refer to what is shown as Palestine in the Times Atlas of the World of the 1930s, namely the land west of the Jordan river. Singer seems to think "Palestine" includes present-day Jordan).

This partition allocated about half of Palestine to Israel (and, so far as I am aware, did not authorise expulsion or exclusion of the then inhabitants). Subsequently Israel occupied about half of the rest, and then in 1967 the remainder; it now seems to be trying to make this permanent.

The negotiations that pro-Israel advocates seem to want is over exactly how much land Israel should be allowed to take that isn't theirs. And what is the relevance of whether the non-Israel part of Palestine should be divided into one or more separate countries ?

He seems to assert that international law gives Israel/Jews the right to the entirety of Palestine. (Whether at this point he means to include Jordan as well is not stated). This is something I've never heard of before. As a lawyer he should be prepared to cite his grounds for saying so.
Posted by jeremy, Monday, 15 June 2009 10:54:36 AM
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Here we have another arrogant asshole who, when an Arab says "I am a Palestinian" he says "no your not". Who gives this prick the right to decide what community certain people can belong to?
Why is it Jews and Arabs not Jews and Muslims? Is antimuslim the same as antisemetic?

Israel stole other peoples land and property when it was formed and they must pay for that. Either give it back or give just compensation. Whether the Arabs left under Jewish terrorism or whether their leaders advised them to leave it is still unconscionable that the Jews could then come along and say this house is empty so now it is mine. This is theft!

You give away yours, and the Jews, real agenda (naughty naughty) when you say "The Jews possess the entitlement in international law to reconstitute the Jewish National Home in the West Bank under the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine". This is what it really boils down to isnt it. The illegal and immoral goal of Eretz Israel. Stretching from the Mediterranean all the way to the Jordan river, and the genocide of all its current inhabitants. Just like the Jews did in Exodus.

This is why Israel, alone amongst every country in the whole world, refuses to say where its borders are. They even refuse to say where they would like them to be. Well they would wouldnt they. Cant have the rest of the world knowing about the Israelis desire for expansion and ethnic cleansing. Pity for you Jews that we can see the settlements and the wall and the jew only roads so we in the rest of the world are sort of waking up to the Israeli plot to steal the rest of the palestinains land
Posted by mikk, Monday, 15 June 2009 12:11:40 PM
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It has taken more than a century for the Jews to get this far in their plan and they fully expect and dont mind if it takes another century or two but they are determined to have back the land that they believe their magical superfriend in the sky gave them some 2000 odd years ago.

The scariest thing is that the Arabs just see the Jews as one more in a long line of crusaders come to oppress them and steal their land and are quite confident that given enough time they will kick them out and reclaim their holy places just like they did to numerous crusaders in the past. They also expect and dont mind the fact that it may take centuries of violence and bloodshed.

You godbotherers are sickos and the sooner religion is removed from this world the better. The ignorance and violence inherant to religious thinking has been destroying people for far too long now and we should all work towards ending it now. Let your god come down here and stop us if he disagrees. If he can!
Posted by mikk, Monday, 15 June 2009 12:12:13 PM
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"You godbotherers are sickos and the sooner religion is removed from this world the better."

Very true.

The thing is that the Muslims are told to be enemies of Christians, Jews and non-Muslims. That is why there is conflict between Muslims and the non-Muslims all over the world

http://www.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Area=sr&ID=SR01102

As long as the Muslims insist the Koran to be god's word and calling Jews descendants of apes and monkeys, there can be no peace.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/009-friends-with-christians-jews.ht

Islam is a hate religion. Teaching its followers hate and having a doctrine of jihad, terrorising non-Muslims to become stooges of Saudi Arabia.
Posted by Philip Tang, Monday, 15 June 2009 1:08:41 PM
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Critics of Singer are blind to the irreversible flow of history in situations of danger. After the 1967 war and the Yom Kippur war in 1973 a new historical sense and situation hardened in Israel both territorially and strategically that no Israeli statesman could abandon and could be forced to go back to the status quo ante without imperilling the existence of the Jewish State. That is why the only realistic resolution to the conflict lies in going forward from the reality of the present status quo and the reasonable Israeli concerns about their security to the creation of a two-state entity on two conditions, as Netanyahu in his last Sunday speech spelled out clearly. One, that the Palestinians unequivocally accept the legitimacy of the Jewish State in the form of a covenant, and two they agree that their state will be a demilitarized state that could not threaten Israel.

Regrettably however, President Obama in his Alice in wonderland Cairo speech hardly touched on this reasonable proposal of Israel as the most practical and feasible resolution of the conflict.

http://kotzabasis11.wordpress.com
Posted by Themistocles, Monday, 15 June 2009 9:25:10 PM
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